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Sticky foams, aka Stick'm foams have been around since the early 90s. They were were used in Gulf War I and Somalia. If they spray you, you aren't going anywhere soon.

See, this is what I'm saying here! Glue his dumb ass to the bridge and come back to get him after rush hour. If you catch him in a net he can still fall. With the sticky foam you can scrape him off the bridge with a big spatula and run him in and don't even have to use the bracelets.

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IME, the majority of suicides are supremely selfish people.


Golgo, stand by to get flamed. We had a discussion on this back on TFL, and I made the same statement.


It was amazing how many 'conservative' types suddenly started sounding EXACTLY like liberals:


  • You don't know how it feeeeeels!
  • That is cruel!
  • How can you be so insensitive? A suicide attempt is a cry for attention!
  • yada.
  • yada.
  • yada.

Ad nauseum.


The more attention these grandstanding selfish people get, the more of these grandstanding selfish people will be doing it.



(Oh, BTW - for those who are about to start flaming - YES, I've had suicide strike quite close to home, thank you.)
 
In Sacramento just after New Year's 1995, I drove from the intersection of 50 & Bradshaw to the airport, at a rate of 10 seconds per car length (good question - I had promised to pick up my roommate). Seems there was a guy sitting in his car out toward the Arco Arena threatening to shoot himself, and the chp had the road completely closed. Naturally, there was a Kings game that night, so half the city was going that direction. He finally shot himself after 5 hours. At least there were a couple of interesting things that resulted:

1. Since no one could get to the airport, and the airlines wanted to keep to their schedules, they flew out empty.

2. Turns out the NBA has a very strictly-enforced rule that games must start on time. Since there was no one at the arena at tip-off time, they had to call the NBA and get permission to start late.

:rolleyes:
 
Where does the state get the authority to prevent suicide? I mean, whose life is it, anyway?

If a citizen decides that their life sucks SO BAD that they're ready to end it, and risk having to explain their actions to their Creator, or worse yet, possibly reincarnate as a cockroach, where does the state get the authority to intervene (assuming that aforementioned citizen's choice of suicide methods are not endangering anyone else)?

This is the crux of many of our rights-related problems. Do we have a Constitution, or don't we? Is my body mine, or am I a "financial asset" of the state? If it's my body, where does the state get the authority to tell me what I can and can't put into it? Inquiring minds want to know.

1) This is America, your kin just jumped off of a bridge, what is the American response?

Sue someone! Who you gonna sue? Someone who can afford to pay you what you think you're worth: The city/county!

2) Mental health types have convinced America that suicidal tendencies are a temporary thing, and that with treatment your kin-spam won't have those suicidal tendencies. Ergo, if only somebody had made sure that yoru kin-spam had received the help he needed before his traumatic deceleration event, he's still be alive.

It's the police's fault, for not getting him help!

3) Somebody, somewhere in the local law enforcement chain of command has to rely on votes to keep his job. Sheriff, mayor, someone.
The other side of that coin is that somewhere, someone wants to beat the Sheriff or mayor in an election.

Nothing tugs the heartstrings like a picture of your kin, in his achieved spam-like condition, generously used as proof that the current office-holder is an uncaring fiend.

Should the Sheriff or mayor wish to keep his cushy elected job, it would behoove him to go to some lengths to avoid giving potential political opponents the ammunition to turn public votes against the current office-holder.

Hope that helps.

LawDog
 
A web gun, Cool!!

Maybe we should spend a heap of tax dollars on developing some more fictional weapons like:
Phasers
Tractor beams
A 200 ft tall radioactive lizard that breathes fire
A Batmobile
 
Thread veer...

The Batmobile is real.


What I want to be invented is the Swiss Army Knife that adapts to your particular situation. Wether you need a knife, plier, siscors, screwdriver, an elctron supercollider, a bomb defuser, bone saw, chain saw, computer tool, an 11/32 wrench, a shark with a friggin-laser beam attatched to its head, a retina scanner, or a universal translator, the MacGuyver Swiss Army Knifeâ„¢ is there!!! :D:D
 
Don't need a web gun. Just get a grungy looking tow truck with an even grungier cigar chewing (not smoking but chewing) slob out there. He starts the tow and messes up the car. It may be inducement to get the jumper to come down to claim the car. (I think it was a BMW on the SF Bay Bridge).

Hey, if that doesn't work, then at least one lane is cleared for traffic.

As for the cops, don't they have something better to do? Isn't there a speeder somewhere or someone with a flat tire?
 
Airbag on ground + beanbag or tazer + ride to mental health clinic = problem solved.


Air bag, yes, ok, can see that, ride to mental HQ, ok, if you talk him down. But there is no way they will taze them, unless its a 71 year old half blind woman.

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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

I don't think you can stop a suicide, just postpone it. If you intervene on an attempt most will find another time and place to committ the act. I like the beanbag theory, get it over with and move on!
 
Just an observation, but those who really want to cancel their subscription to Life usually do it privately so that there is a minimal chance for interferrance. If they really want out, they'll find a way.

Those who try it publically really are "attention whores" (good term) who want somebody to 'make it all better' are fundamentally feckless boobs who are largely incapable of managing their own lives. They are truly selfish and have no notion of personal responsibility, they don't care about you, it's all about them. Unfortunately, until the public makes it real clear that we won't indulge such behavior, it will continue.

Lawdog makes some good points, but there are ways to counter the foolishness.
1) Sue? Sue 'em back. How about a class action suit against the butt-munch (or it's estate if they're successful) on behalf of all who lost wages, incurred expenses, or where otherwise tangibly damaged by the foolishness.

2) Mental Health types who say 'suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem' or it's teh cops' fault need to rethink the equation. Let put the responsibility where it belongs. If they really are having a bad time, there is help availalbe, but they've got to ask, no one can help if they don't make the effort to let them. The attention whores crave attention so give 'em their '15 minutes' of fame to figure out what they want out of life, then hose 'em with the sticky stuff and cart 'em away. Again, the public needs to make it clear that we aren't going to put up with this crap, promote public policy such that the individual has 15 minutes to figure out if they're going to 'fish or cut bait' then a non-lethal attempt to deal with the situation will be made. If they die in the process, oh, well . . .

3) As far as the politicos go, tar 'em with their own bruch. The issues becomes 'are they in favor of coddling irresponsible, selfish morons' over your need to be able to live your life without being harrassed/inconvenienced/etc by said irresponsible, selfish morons.

Pragmatically, there's too much apathy at large to overcome the touchy-feely 'caring' minions or to make personal accountability the right thing to do, but I can dream, can't I?
 
Many suicides are due to biologically based depressions or folks in a temporary super high stress situation that breaks down their defenses. They can be successfully treated.

I find most comments here to be quite moronic. Deal with folks with a suicidal family member sometime. I wonder if it was your kid or parent on a bridge, would you be so glib to have them die so you can drive.

The ignorance here is amazing. :fire: :banghead: :cuss:
 
BT, DT.

So, just how long do you have to keep telling them, "Come on down, buddy, we'll get you some help. No one will hurt you. " yadda-yadda. How much of my lifetime is some sick puppy entitled to?

I don't hink anyone here advocates calling the SWAT team as soon as some poor bastid climbs out on a building/whatever. But I do think that there needs to be a better way to deal with these shenanigans, it it ought to be on a 'sooner than later' basis. JMO.
 
I think maybe I have been playing to much Rainbox Six. I keep coming up with all of these tactical answers.

The typical jumper stands close to the edge right? If you hit him with a bean bag out out of a 12 ga he is going to fall forward or towards the water. What I would do is fly a chopper along side the bridge. I would then shoot him with bean bag and launch a couple of 40mm flash bangs. That should give the cops enough time to run in and grab him.
 
Just an observation, but those who really want to cancel their subscription to Life usually do it privately so that there is a minimal chance for interferrance. If they really want out, they'll find a way.

THIS is what I'm saying.

Gem: If someone is REALLY suicidal they are not likely to tie up traffic. If they decide to jump off a bridge, they're gonna get up there and let fly. THOSE people are not those of whom we speak here. Yes, I've dealt with enough TRULY suicidal people to know that someone standing on the edge arguing with the police and tying up traffic is looking to be talked down or to be talkd INTO jumping.

They don't want help. they want someone to tell them how much they'll be missed if they jump and how the world is a better place with them in it and all that drek.

I have rough times like everyone else, but I have enough self-respect to not do stupid crap like that. Chemical imbalance??? Feh. Likely CAUSED by chemicals. In the 60s people took drugs to make the normal world weird. Now people think the world is weird and take drugs to make it normal again. Think about that. We happen to live in a VERY over-medicated society. Prozac's not always the answer, Dr. Feelgood.

Look at it from another viewpoint: How would you feel about it if your child was in an ambulance being rushed to the ER and died because of this person holding up traffic?
 
That is a new idea for the Negotiators. Here is a sample training dialogue


Cop: What are you doing up there?

Stupid: It just isn't worth it anymore I am goimg to jump and end it.

Cop: If you are planning on jumping would you please hurry up with it we got a lot of traffic here.

Stupid: Aren't you going to tell me that life is worth living and I shouldn't jump.

Cop: Uh no, if you want to jump just do it quit wasting our time. We ran your plates for your identity and from what you ex wife said you are really scraping the bottom of the barrell. Mine as well end it.

Stupid: I will jump don't come any closer!!!

Cop: I am going to count to three if you don't get you ass off of this bridge I am going to shoot you with my Remington, and that will definetly knock you off the bridge it's your call. 3......2......1

Stupid: Wait!!! Your crazy, I changed my mine I don't want to jump now. *lays down on sidewalk with hands on head*
 
Rock45:
Departments that use beanbags normally (at least according to the marketing hype I see) keep seperate weapons for lethal (buck and slug) and less-lethal (beanbags and the like), interchanging ammo would lead to the scenario you hint at.

sturmruger:
Are you going to volunteer to bum-rush the guy after the beanbags and flash bangs? I sure wouldnt, too much a chance of going swimming, especially since you'd have to be pretty close to the blast of the flash bangs to run to the guy before he fell off the edge in his disoriented state.

Kharn
 
Gem said:
I find most comments here to be quite moronic. Deal with folks with a suicidal family member sometime. I wonder if it was your kid or parent on a bridge, would you be so glib to have them die so you can drive.

The ignorance here is amazing.

Your point? I dutifully catered to my suicidal ex-wife for 10 years [though she never killed herself, nor held up traffic.] Sorry, I have to agree with the "crass" comments: People who threaten to commit suicide lack commitment, and are often willing to continue to lack commitment for as long as people are willing to pay attention to them.

I see nothing whatsoever wrong with telling them "See this here big clock? We're giving you 10 minutes to make up your mind: Either jump, or come down here and we'll give you a ride to the hospital, or at the end of ten minutes we're going to shoot you with this bean shotgun charge, and either take you to the hospital, or fish you out of the water. Your choice."

There's an amusing [possibly apocryphal] story about Richard Bandler, one of the people who came up with the school of psychology called NLP – He is/was famous for “re-framing†the mental state of patients, and encountered one who adamantly believed he was Jesus Christ. Bandler excused himself, and showed up an hour or so later dragging a 9' wooden cross, a hammer, and three 4†spikes.

Oddly enough, the patient suddenly decided he wasn’t Jesus Christ after all.

Dex
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