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Can someone please explain California gun laws to me in plain English? I'm considering moving out there for a change in scenery more than anything, but coming from KY where the law is pretty lax to California could present some issues for me. Specifically the guns I was going to take with me are my G21, Rem 700, M1 Garand, a Mossberg 500 w/ folding stock(no-go I think?) and an AK
 
If you want a change in scenery, consider going somewhere else.

I lived in California for years and never wish to go back; I'd rather live in Kentucky.
 
you might consider Tidewater VA ( Norfolk/Virginia Beach area) as a alternative to CA for a change of scenery.

California is not as bad as many think ( see the 'most restrictive state' thread for some perspective), but it can still be a hassle.
 
You will need a bullet button for that AK and you will need to take apart the mags for your G21 and your AK or block them to 10 rds (permanent block, not temporary). You can posess mags over 10 rds if you got them before the year 2000......even if you can't prove when you bought it the state can't charge you for illegal posession unless they can prove you obtained them after 2000. However, an LEO can confiscate them as a "nuisance" with no charges filed.
Your Mossberg is fine. Lots of pistol grip 500s around here. The only restrictions on shotguns here are barrel length (federal law), mag capacity (applies to hunting only) and no revolving cylinder (no Taurus Judge).

Your big mistake is asking for a simple or easy explanation of CA gun laws. I almost laughed out loud when I read that.
 
Detachable magazines over 10 rounds are banned (G21, AK).
The AK itself is banned.
Not sure about the Mossberg 500, I think its OK.
Garand and M700 are OK.

They have gun registration.

Look for future issues with the "bullet button" exemptions and non-pistol grip stocks. Its just a matter of time. ANd they'll know you have it since its registered.
 
As a gun owning California resident born and raised here, and one who is closing on a deal to leave upon retirement, all I can advise is to be ready for change, and some of that will include giving up certain firearms, etc.
Be very careful about the many and numerous ways you can't even imagine that will make you run afoul of gun laws; many involve transportation, magazine capacity, transfers, your own background, failure to register/notify, carry (depending on where you live), etc.
Your AK (depending on who manufactured it, if it is "listed" or not) may be prohibited or not depending on certain features. Roberti-Roos (1990) defined particular firearms, and that law has been expanded upon more than once, but is too complicated for me to attempt explanation. Magazines (and now kits <1/1/14>) for that firearm with a capacity of more than ten can't be brought in, neither can magazines over ten for sidearms.
Certain shotguns are prohibited, as are rifles (any action type) chambered for .50 BMG. Other pistols defined in law and depending on features are prohibited, see above.
Then on top of all this, there is the "roster" of approved sidearms, and SSE (single shot exemption) work-around, for newly purchased models, the micro-stamping issue aside.
And on, and on, and on it goes……
Don't even get me started on hunting ammunition!

However all is not yet totally lost; there are many gun owners here to stay, and in some ways our laws are not as bad as some foreign countries, etc.

If a change of scenery is all you want, move to a free state, and come visit for a month; we have a beautiful coast line, vast deserts, mountains, forests, etc, and nearly every form of recreation you could do in a lifetime.
 
Sign up for Calguns and read all the stickies over there for a flow chart of most guns.
 
There are plenty of pro gun states that aren't KY. If you're an otherwise liberal person that likes guns you might think of oregon or vermont. If you like the beaches you might think of somewhere on the east coast south of Maryland, or the gulf coast states. If you like guns enough to post here with frequency you probably won't be too happy in cali. Now if its jobs or family pulling you there then only you can decide just be prepared to put up with a level of BS on guns that you never had to deal with in KY.
 
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You can posess mags over 10 rds if you got them before the year 2000......even if you can't prove when you bought it the state can't charge you for illegal posession unless they can prove you obtained them after 2000.
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Your big mistake is asking for a simple or easy explanation of CA gun laws. I almost laughed out loud when I read that.

The statement about the mags is a little misleading.

Here is the Penal code:
California Penal Code Section 32420

Legal Research Home > California Laws > Penal Code > California Penal Code Section 32420

32420. Section 32310 does not apply to the importation of a
large-capacity magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the
large-capacity magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000
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lawfully took it out of the state, and is returning to the state with
the same large-capacity magazine.


In regards to the 2nd part.... I LOL'd too.


The OP is fine with the handguns as long as he neuters the mags to 10 rounds. The handgun Roster doesn't apply whne he moves to CA as long as they aren't "assault weapons".

In regards to the AK.... if its named specifically, its a no go. If its a AK that isn't named specifically, he'll have to get a bullet button and neuter any mags over 10 rounds.

There is a great flow chart on Calguns.
 
California gun laws are extensive and fairly complex. No "Cliff's Notes" version will really be much help. I think the OP will need to largely do his own research.

CalgunsWiki, linked to by Librarian in post 3 is a good place to start. Also, check out the California DOJ firearms pages and FAQs.
 
Consider hiring an attorney versed in California criminal law/firearms law, and ask your specific questions. Self-guided study of California law is not a good idea unless you are an attorney, and maybe not even then.
 
California gun laws are extensive and fairly complex. No "Cliff's Notes" version will really be much help. I think the OP will need to largely do his own research.

CalgunsWiki, linked to by Librarian in post 3 is a good place to start. Also, check out the California DOJ firearms pages and FAQs.
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BTW If you enjoy shooting like someone else said choose another state
 
I'm about to make a similar move from Maine to Northern California. In my case, it's so my wife can take a major promotion with her company. I've been doing some research and the laws out there are a convoluted nightmare, but not as bad as the UK or Australia. The Calguns forum has some helpful interactive flow charts that will help you determine if your guns are on the CA no-no list.

In my case, I've had to sell almost all of my guns to help fund the move, and I'm only bringing the guns that hold sentimental value. My break action .410 I received for my 10th birthday, and my Remington 870 in 20 gauge that I got as an 11th birthday present. They're the guns I cut my teeth hunting with.

Once we receive our relocation reimbursements from the wife's employer, I'm going to just start over. I figure that will be easier than figuring out if the guns I'm importing are ok by California standards.
 
BTW If you enjoy shooting like someone else said choose another state

I think most folks in the firearms community would be very surprised at how rich and active the shooting and firearms enthusiast community is in California.

Lots and lots of people own guns and lots of them go shoot.

There are more gun shops and shooting ranges in parts of California than there are in places like Texas and Oklahoma.
 
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OP,
The following is a post made in the "Most restrictive state" thread. I though it was a well balanced post that from an objective opinion.

Read the whole thing and pay particular attention to what is said about CA down towards the bottom.

There's sometimes a bit of difference between theory and practice, so let me share a few ideas.

I lived in the NE for years, being a NJ resident, a RI resident, lived in VT for a year, and having gun enthusiast friends in NY, CT, Mass, VT, PA, and NH.

I now reside in Wisconsin as my legal home state, but am in Florida about 4 months a year and in California about another 3 months a year. I also spend about 6 weeks a year in Maryland flying with the Navy there and I shoot there too. The bottom line is that I shoot and make friends in the gun communities wherever I go.

In the NE, New Jersey is by far the worst *in practice*. Firearms ID taking 2-6 months to get before you can buy anything, another per-gun permit for handguns, handgun rationing, zero CCW issuances, state law prohibits even a C&R FFL to be used, zero NFA legality, high cap bans, absolutely anti gun sentiment everywhere, zero legal posession in a vehicle unless you are traveling DIRECTLY either to or from a range, etc., etc., etc... Even with all of those things I still enjoyed a good shooting hobby there for years. I guess we adapt, improvise, and overcome. I walked to the police station first thing on my 18th birthday for my ID card there, so I guess you can say 've been shooting there as long as I could.

In Rhode Island I was surprised at the "lenient" gun culture. Yeah... I had to wait 7 days for a purchase. Big Deal. Compared to what I went thru in NJ that was a piece of cake. And I got a CCW thru my local PD there, and it was OK. So to compare RI to NJ... well, there's no comparison. I got both Mass and CT non-resident CCW's and on top of my non-resident Florida CCW had a pretty good deal carry-wise when I lived there. Interesting tidbit, if you have a CCW from one state (say Mass) and are driving thru RI to another place where your CCW`is valid (like passing thru a RI town driving from one town in Mass to another) you can carry in your car as long as you don't get out. So there are some good points there too.

When I lived in RI my shooting buddies were mostly from Mass and CT. Guess what? They all had CCW's from their states too. Yeah, they had hassles with this and that, but compared to NJ? Not even close.

My experience in MD is not as extensive, but I have spent many hours at a friendly LGS just outside of the base and have bought rifles there. No CCW's, but at the same time you can actually BUY a firearm there. Compared to NJ... well... you can actually buy a gun in MD, so that's a big plus.

My family has a farm in PA, right on the NY line. I used to hunt there when I could. PA, of course, is a guin friendly place. But I noticed something about the NY residents who came down to visit and shoot. They all had CCW's too. And could buy whatever they wanted at the LGS when they felt like it. NYC was hundreds of miles away and none of that nonsense had filtered into the cow pastures.

Now I'm in Wisconsin. Not a lot to be said about there except for some arcane nonsense that we need to go thru to buy a machinegun. Other NFA stuff is easy. CCW's are shall-issue. Paradise Found. Florida is the same way. Only... not so fast: There's really noplace to actually shoot. All land is private, ranges are saturated with people, and there's noplace to just set up and shoot cans. <sigh>... I don't much like formal ranges or waiting in line for a pistol lane at the range at the LGS where it's always busy.

California: I live here months at a time when I am flying. I shoot in the desert, all of my friends here have CCW's (Kern County), and for shooting it's an excellent place. It's FAR better than Wisconsin for SHOOTING, as you can actually find a spot to shoot. We drive into the Mojave, pick a road, drive the truck a mile, set up and shoot. I shoot black powder, a neutered AR-15, and have a lot of fun with long range rifle shooting. Compared to NJ it's PARADISE. If I wanted to push the issue I could probably get a CCW, as the sheriff here issues them with a smile, and CA residency is not challenged too badly for folks who "live" here. Get a library card and you're in. If you like to SHOOT, as compared to being able to buy any sort of gun that you want, this is a great place.


So you can list all of the states that you like, based on the theory of their laws, but from a practical standpoint none are*nearly* as bad in my experience (which does not include Hawaii, obviously) as New Jersey. I'd live in California in a heartbeat for access to shooting sports. I'd prefer to live in Massachusetts compared to NJ. RI's only problem is that it's too darned small for a CCW to mean much, and there's no reciprocity. Good news is that Mass and CT give out non-resident CCW's, which makes things better.


NJ stands out. It's BAD there. 40+ years of it and I'll never go back. There's no saving it: If you are a shooter, I entreat you to leave.

With the new laws in CT and NY, they are getting "close" to NJ, but they are not even in the same league.... (yet).



Willie

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I'm closing this one. Even after what I wrote in post 14 we continued to get off topic posts.

The OP asked for help understanding California guns laws. He didn't ask for rants or complaints about California.

I hope the OP got sufficient information to help him out. If anyone has more information which might actually be helpful to the OP, please send him a PM.
 
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