California gun laws

[Evergreen]

Evergreen,

You are under no obligation to move to California or to visit this state or to visit friends or relatives here. If I were you, given your fears, I would remain in Oregon.

Links to the information you seek have been posted you are under no obligation to go to them or to read them. However you can no longer pose as a simple fella asking straightforward questions. You cannot stand like a man asking questions but rather as a fella looking for a tussle.

tipoc

Wow, please both of you and 9mm don't take things so personally. I wasn't trying to stand like a man or look for a tussle. My God, I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion. I am just sitting at my computer, drinking a cup of tea and sharing ideas, thoughts and asking questions.

Whether you guys know or it not, I support you 1000% and would be very happy if we could take California back. FYI, my grandparents, father and many of my other relatives grew up in Southern California. My father grew up in North Hollywood and lived there back in the day when you could walk around at night around the Coliseum area. My mother is UCSB and Cal Poly grad..

I am very happy for you to prove me wrong and I am not trying to prove anything. Really, all these years I thought California did not lighten up at all on any restrictions. Even, I went through the CalGuns boards and would just read endless amounts of posts about people complaining how they couldn't own this or that gun. I have heard a lot of California bashing, so perhaps I have had a great misconception of the truth of the situation. My apologies if this is true.

Calguns Foundation WIKI; California law; Federal firearms law - U S Code, Title 18

Thanks for supplying this information. I will be sure to overlook it. So you are saying, my LMT MRP CQB 16 and Rock River AR is totally legal to bring down to California? Last I heard, you could only possess one that is manufactured in sporting configuration with no alterations.

Mere possession of magazine with capacities of more than 10 rounds is completely legal, it is the importation/sales/transfer of them that is illegal. All magazine for all my guns hold more than 10 rounds...except guns designed with smaller capacities...and I know many folks who have them and use them

So what does this mean in English, exactly? The importation/sales/transfer is illegal? So, how exactly did you acquire these magazines if the importation, sales and transfer is illegal?

 

[9mmepiphany]

tipoc summed it up very well:

However you can no longer pose as a simple fella asking straightforward questions. You cannot stand like a man asking questions but rather as a fella looking for a tussle.

I may be wrong, but your prior post, which included such gems as Bolshevik-like and California followed by I was not trying to put down you or California. allowed me to think that you were simply repeating rhetoric without facts or knowledge.

Have you even looked at the sources which have been generously cited by tipoc, fiddletown and Librarian? Or was the statement: "I will be sure to overlook it" more a subconscious slip than a typing error?

I find your statement

Wow, please both of you and 9mm don't take things so personally. I wasn't trying to stand like a man or look for a tussle. My God, I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion. I am just sitting at my computer, drinking a cup of tea and sharing ideas, thoughts and asking questions.

disingenuous at best and choose not to engage in a tussle with your like to the distraction of this thread.

Read the cites, follow the flow charts and educate yourself if that is your desire...or don't. English is my second language, if I can understand it, anyone should be able to.

 

[lizziedog1]

In downtown Sacramento there is the state's law library. There are law books from all fifty states there. Each state has a few shelves dedicated to their books. California law books take up a whole section of the library. My point is, they are good at making laws. Gun laws are no exception.

Here is an expriment you could try.

Ask five different LEO's the proper and legal way to transport guns in a car. You might get five different answers.

It says in you starting thread you are a college student. If you are a law student you might just be able to navigate Califonria's complicated and convulted laws. If not, good luck!

 

[Evergreen]

I may be wrong, but your prior post, which included such gems as Bolshevik-like and California followed by I was not trying to put down you or California. allowed me to think that you were simply repeating rhetoric without facts or knowledge.

Don't get mad, it wasn't meant as insult, but I do believe it's the truth. California has been taken over by a communist/socialist autocratic government. The state is the first in the nation for many years to apply for Federal Emergency Aid. It seems that a majority of your leaders feel the way to solve crime is to ban guns and to solve poverty is to increase taxes and implement more social programs. Sorry, that I have a grim view about California, but that is my opinion. Even, if the gun laws were good in the state, I may not want to go there because not only the cost of living is high, but they will tax you to death on everything. However, compounded with the high crime, lack of CCW and other strict gun laws, it really has lot of problems for me.

I will certainly research about your claims that my ARs and other rifles containing military-configs are legal in CA. I have always heard otherwise. If this is true, I will be sure to take them with me when I go visit my brother in the Bay Area, one of these days. Also, if there is no problem, I will also bring along my S&W M&P 45. Locked in a case and unloaded of course.

You still didn't answer my question about how you manage to acquire those 10+ rd magazines. I'm still trying to figure out how Californians acquire these if they are not legal to sell, transfer or import.

I am not the only guy here who uses the terms like "California." A lot of the anti-gun measures that have been passed in Oregon have been from California and East Coast transplants. That isn't to say there isn't a lot of great Californians and pro-2A minded Californians. However, I just notice a different mentality with gun laws from native Oregonians/Washingtonians with the Cali transplants, who are now like 30-40% the population in Oregon.

 

[tipoc]

I will certainly research about your claims that my ARs and other rifles containing military-configs are legal in CA.

No one here knows anything about your ARs and other rifles and so has made no claims on what you can or cannot do with them. We have suggested that you go to Calguns.net and in the long gun section there you can ask and be specific.

You have said that if you come here you will have to throw away your magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. Why is that? Why would you have to throw them away just because you visit a relative in L.A.?

You opine that the state is facist/socialist/bolshevik yet we recently stopped, via court action, an idiot gun control law from taking effect. Not the type of thing that happens much in facist states.

Evergreen half of what you write makes no sense and the other half is slanders. Yep you are looking to stir things up. Get some knowledge.

Don't get mad, it wasn't meant as insult

Yes it was.

tipoc

 

[9mmepiphany]

You are now pulling this thread well away from the OP's original focus. The OP is moving to CA and wanted to understand his legal rights, he did not want to hear about your displeasure with the state

After you have read the cites, you can start your own thread asking the questions you are still not clear on. Please do not further divert this thread

 

[Evergreen]

I just started reading this article on CalGuns.Net and it looks interesting; very informative, although quite confusing. It seems California qualifies as having the most confusing gun laws in the country.

http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

Yes it was

Really, it wasn't. I was just regurgitating my feelings of my southern neighbor. Sorry, I guess the Oregonian, anti-Californian mentality has gotten to me. I apologize and I know I have to change my way of thinking.

You have said that if you come here you will have to throw away your magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. Why is that? Why would you have to throw them away just because you visit a relative in L.A.?

Oops, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant, if I moved back to California I would have to throw them away or sell them. No, I certainly wouldn't need to sell all my magazines or guns before I visit so I can appease the whims of the Brady Bunch.

You are now pulling this thread well away from the OP's original focus. The OP is moving to CA and wanted to understand his legal rights, he did not want to hear about your displeasure with the state

9mm, I apologize. I didn't mean to pull the thread off-topic. I guess I was trying to explain why I said what I did. Anyhow, the topic was California Gun Laws and I think voicing my complaints about them isn't entirely off-topic. Also, there has been many lingering questions in my mind over the years about California's gun laws. I will do more research before making any more comments.. Thank you.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...I will certainly research about your claims that my ARs and other rifles containing military-configs are legal in CA. I have always heard otherwise. If this is true, I will be sure to take them with me when I go visit my brother in the Bay Area, one of these days....

For the record, I don't know if they'd be legal to bring to California or not; and I'm not going to spend any time looking into the question. You've been directed to some sources, and you're on your own. Good luck.

 

[natman]

So what does this mean in English, exactly? The importation/sales/transfer is illegal? So, how exactly did you acquire these magazines if the importation, sales and transfer is illegal?

You bought them BEFORE the law went into effect. So it's legal now to possess the ones you had then, just not buy/sell or transfer them.

Evergreen, it's apparent that you have some mistaken ideas about how CA laws work. No shame in that, it can be complicated. It sounds like you're now on the right track: keep asking questions and stop making statements.

 

[thorn726]

seems like you don't even need a CA id, but for the record...

After a certain time period you may be considered a CA resident. Then you go get a CA ID card.

The time period would be the amount of time it takes you to get to DMV. The "PROOF" you will need that you reside at the address you give them= the cost of the license, its $32 to renew not sure about new issues. yep/