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California: "Raids aim to curtail illegal gun ownership"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, Dec 24, 2002.

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/5697710p-6670909c.html

     
  2. Phil Ca

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    Just another reason for JBTs to try to prop up their existance. The TRO is the most insidious ploy in the book. I heard a man in a store telling a friend that his ex filed on him just so he could not see their infant son. When he asked her on the phone why she did it, her reply was, "Because I knew I could do it!" Now he is screwed if he wants to keep or own a firearm.

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  3. redhead

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    This is really disturbing. In spite of the fact that the ex-wife dropped her complaing, and he was not guilty, the JBT's raided his home anyway , unless I'm missing something here. So he had a history of violence - no convictions, but they raided his home anyway ! Most disturbing.
     
  4. Jeff White

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    I don't know why California is claiming to be the first to do this, it's been going on in Illinois for years. Get a restraining order or conviction that takes away RKBA and the ISP will be by to collect your FOID card and guns.

    There has been at least one instance that I know of that firearms were removed from the home of someone who no longer could have a FOID, even though other residents of the house did have valid FOIDs. It seems that in Illinois if a member of the household loses RKBA everyone living there also does :mad:

    So no California isn't the first..although I sure wish they were.

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  5. Standing Wolf

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    My only regret about leaving the People's Republic of California this past summer to return to the United States is that I didn't do it years sooner.
     
  6. SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI

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    Hope I never get a TRO against me - this would definitely cross my line in the sand. If they were to raid me my response would make front page headlines. Definitely my dying day. MOLON LABE!!!
     
  7. BerettaNut92

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    If someone has a violent past and is prone to violence, they should not be living among us. Just my opinion, but I'm just a banjo picker.
     
  8. Blackcloud6

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    >>Even the National Rifle Association supported the bill when it was debated in the Legislature last year, but a lawyer for the organization now questions whether the law is being enforced too broadly. Among his concerns: Gun owners can lose their weapons if they have temporary restraining orders imposed on them by the courts in domestic violence cases -- even if they're not convicted. <<

    You know the old saying: "Watch you wish for, you might get it."

    The NRA's policy of trying to support some kind of law's as alternatives to gun control is ripe for backfiring. NRA should stay out of this kind of stuff and just fight gun control laws.
     
  9. SIGarmed

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    Most but not all? So they have admitted that not all people that they go after have multiple violations.



    Ignorance? How about a statement of fact?

    Innocent until proven guilty? Not in California.

    So you don't even need a conviction for them to target you and confiscate your property. This is really scary.
    Those who approved of this law should have know that giving liberal fascists the green light to start confiscating our guns that it would backfire. Look who is in charge in this state. What did they think would happen?
     
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    This situation is really no different than some luckless peasant being ridden down by the King's men.
     
  11. Hkmp5sd

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    Really dumb question. What did they confiscate "more than 460 electric matches"? They haul people BBQ grills to the station for having electric strikers?
     
  12. Giant

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    I have been a man of peace all of my life. Never been arrested, although I did get a traffic ticket for 45 in a 35 back in 1966. I have lived a good life, and have broken no laws. I always treated others fairly, I have been there for the unemployed, sick, dying and homless.

    I have said this before, I really do mean it. If for no reason other than a fishing trip the BATF and other police kick in my door, I will kill as many of them as I can, or all of them!!!! I will die in the process, so be it! The police in the PRK need to obey the laws of the land and check their information before trying to roust people, so they can get their name in the paper. If they do it to me everyone involved will be in the morning edition. In the obits!

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    I think this is a good case of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it" and the "slippery slope." Backing laws like this is a main reason the NRA has no support from me.
     
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    My sentiments exactly, Giant. They will need to bring more than one body bag with them. This is going too far and it needs to be stopped, one way or another.
     
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    Does this mean that if you are denied a gun purchase, you can expect a midnight raid to see if you happen to be in possession of an illegal firearm?
     
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    I think that this is a telling statement. They KNOW that the man's daughters are living there, but getting rid of all the evil guns is more important than the people living in the house. After all, he might have an assult pistol.
     
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    This is rather chilling, actually.

    Wonder what'll happen if they run into someone that says "No, thank you".
     
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    Great method of conditioning the public, isn't it? Next on the list...?
     
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    So what happens tomorrow ... who will they decide to target next.

    If someone with "a history of violence but no convictions" is the "worst of the worst" then who's next?

    Damn I'm glad I live in America and not the PRK .... although someday that will probably start happening here too :(
     
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    Hey guys now lets all sing along: " So ya say ya want a revolution, well ya know" why dont we start a Paul Revere society to TAKE action if they ratchet this up? We can start by calling in lots of tips on rigged houses. We can do intell on raiders hang outs ect.Only if they start really violating the constitution.
     
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    I was wondering about this too. An electric match is apparently a little pyro igniter for fireworks. You apply a voltage and it goes pop.

    I have no idea why they'd be considered sinister...

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    did anyone else notice this part?

    Yep. Only those who obey the law and register their guns will end up on that list. Not the criminals....
     
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    Giant:

    Unfortunately each year that goes by we all get closer to being an outlaw.

    Although I don't set out to break laws, neither do I concern myself with unconstitutional laws that I happen to break.

    There will come a time when we all must decide whether to obey or not obey these laws.
     
  24. The Plainsman

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    Giant....

    I'm with you and Sic Transit. The more of these stories I see and hear, the more resolved I become. I think I'm becoming a junior "Patrick Henry" - ....give me liberty or give me death!! The only question in my mind is becoming "how many of these scumbags will I be able to take with me."

    Now I think I'll go quietly away for a while. Otherwise, I'm going to break into a real RANT!!!! :(
     
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    Plainsman: Rant away.

    There's been many cases of home invasions in Ohio.. with people impersonating officers. Any supposed LEO's come to my door, they had better be prepared to wait for me to call my Lawyer and their local agency before stepping one foot in my door.

    That's the only warning I'm prepared to give.
     
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