California Refugees: Oregon or Washington?

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I tried to ignore it for as long as I could, but I can't any longer.

You people who suggest I go to whichever state isn't yours make me SICK. You think you're morally superior to me because I was born in California? You think I have the same views as people on the coast? You think simply because I was born in this state that I agree with it's politics? Why do you think I want to LEAVE? It sure isn't the weather.

Almost every person to post in this thread from Oregon or Washington is a presumptuous, self-righteous wretch. You think you're being funny; you're vile, horrible people. Truely terrible human beings. You make me want to skip the entire West coast, but I'm not going to do you that favor. I'm moving to Oregon or Washington because of my extended family there, it just seems I'm going to have to do my own work instead of rely on such inhospitable people.

High Road? Not hardly, neither for you Oregonians, Washingtonians or for me.

I thank those of you who have had the decency to post relevant information, especially meinbruder. You've been most helpful. God help the rest of you.

Yet another example of why Californians are not welcome--they're whiny.

You self-described Kali refugees are about as welcome as illegal aliens are because, consciously or not, you bring a contemptible culture with you.

Those who don't identify themselves with "coasties" are still folks who allowed Kali to slip down the tubes without so much as a whimper.

Where you gonna flee to next when the Californicators manage to ruin the entire PNW?
 
I love this state. Have lived in WA since 1963. As an undergrad I went to Central Washington U in Ellensburg and did my graduate work at U of Puget Sound. I have property on the Pacific coast, the South Sound, and by the Columbia River south of Vantage. I regularly spend time in the southeast and north central parts of the state. At one time or another I have either boated, camped, hiked, hunted or sight-seen dang near every part of it. I have heretofore thought that I would leave my bones in this ground.

However, it is the smallest state west of the Mississippi in land area (the Rhode Island of the West :) ) and it is filling up fast. Used to be there were rural areas between towns along the sound, now is all one urban/suburban corridor from Olympia north through Marysville. Used to be when heading east out of the eastern foothills of the Cascades the only lights in the sprawling Kittitas Valley was a glow from Ellensburg, now the lights stretch "wall-to-wall." Used to be that as you broke from the high plains down toward the Columbia River at Vantage the only lights on high plains futher east were from the small glow of the tiny town of George, now the whole plain is dotted with lights.

Even the traditionally conservative eastern side of the Cascades is sending more Democrats to the legislature. The dems added to their already solid majority in the state house and senate during the last election so are in a position to pass whatever they want. The former gun-rights coalition of Repubs and a few conservative dems will no longer be able to block legislation. It is rumored that a leading senator told the head of Washington Ceasefire that this is the year they will get all they want which includes AW ban, and ending gun show "loopholes," and assorted other goodies from San Fran, NYC, WA DC, etc. The self-serving governor, who was one of the leading attorneys-general in the "get Big Tobacco" crusade of the 1990's, is not likely to provide any check to the legislative ambition at all. (If you live in WA it is imperative that you become actively involved in lobbying the legislature this biennium if were gonna have a prayer of keeping the current gun climate.)

In seriousness I would not recommend this state to a conservative person that is looking for a comfortable place to settle for the long term as I am not optimistic. We will continue to be increasingly urban on both sides of the mountains. If you are Davy Crockett looking for an Alamo, then come on in, we can use the help.
 
UberPhLuBB I don't believe the comments are meant to be personal. Most of them are in jest.
I have live in Washington my entire life and I have seen first hand how it has changed.
We want things to be the same as 20 or 50 years ago. Not going to happen.
What everyone does object to is people moving in someplace and trying to transform that place into what they just left.
If the people from WA. or OR. move to their idea of paradise and try to change it they will be equally despised.
So move here, enjoy the rain and in a few years you too will be cussin those people from California.
Just for the record. I don't like those people that move here from OR. or anywhere else for that matter.:neener:
But please help us vote out the 2 morons we have in the senate.
AC
 
Just for the record. I don't like those people that move here from OR.

Point taken.

Everyone in California is already rude; we're used to that.

It's also worth remembering that more Americans move to California than Californian's leave. At least that's how it's been traditionally. So, with such a massive, non-indigenous population, it's debatable as to who's really to blame for our problems.
 
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First post here, and thought I would offer my opinion. I'm originally from Maryland. Moved out west in 2003, settled in NW Montana for about 8 months and the wife couldn't handle being in the middle of nowhere, didn't bother me in the slightest though. In any case, we tossed around the idea to move to either Washington or Oregon and finally decided on Oregon in April 2004 due to financial considerations. We live in the central coast area and though politically the climate is far from our beliefs, we keep to ourselves. We would certainly welcome like minded people from where ever they come from. The weather is tough to get used to, however, and the truth is it does rain quite a bit here. Being on the West side of the Coastal Range mountians we pick up 80" to 100" of rain a year. The Pacific storms this year have been particularly rough. As far as people go, our neighbors are friendly, as most of those in town. I haven't found the coastal folk to be hard to get to know. At the moment house prices here on the coast are high, but leveling off a bit. My wife and I have seriously thought about putting the house on the market and relocating once again. Someone earlier talked about Texas, we have been thinking about moving there for a long time and it simply has to do with our desire to see the rest of the country. we're also sick of the rain! I think you'll be happy in either Oregon or Washington. Property Taxes might be slightly higher in OR, but no sales tax. Good luck.
 
Great Cthulhu, Tsathoggua and Shub-Niggurath. This has been a standing joke in the Northwest since before most of us were born. "Visit but don't stay" and "Californicators and New Yawkers must have return tickets".
 
Just in case someone is thinking about moving to east TN I just wanted to let you know we are full. Traffic is horrible in Knoxville and salaries are some of the lowest in the country.

I am considering moving to rural Texas or Oklahoma if some financial things fall into place or a decent job can be found there.

I grew up in a wonderful place that was ruined by mass tourism, massive population growth, no restrictions on development, and extreme greed by the local governments. A very beautiful place is now nothing more than made in China trinket shops, miniature golf, and outlet malls.:barf: :barf: :barf:

I know people are leary of outsiders and I may not be accepted as soon as I show up in a new place. That's life. In time people will judge you for who you are when they forget where you came from. They still may not like you but it won't be because of where you are from.
 
It's the stinking oregonians/washingtonians/ohioans/... that have caused the stench in California.

We native Californians, and we are few, would like to eject you scum and return CA to the great place it was 30+ years ago.
Those who don't identify themselves with "coasties" are still folks who allowed Kali to slip down the tubes without so much as a whimper.
Not true, not even a little.
 
I'm now stepping away from this thread via unsubscription.

Just a bit too much throat ripping going on for my taste.

You guys have fun, where ever you want to live! :D :uhoh: :scrutiny:

I think I'll fo look for threads on lever guns.
 
I am so pleased....

I often think of liberalism as a mental desease, a sort of almost incurable virus. I have often marveled at the people that have quit liberal $hitholes to move elsewhere. The first thing they do is start turning the place into the place they left. Then in a few years they are amazed that they live in a $hithole. I am an Alaskan by way of NYC and the PRNJ. I can tell you what, it never crossed my mind to contaminate Alaska with liberal stupidities, I can tell those towns and places that have. I tell people, yes, you need a visa and a passport to go to Alaska. Real Washingtonians are great, same with Oregonians. Lots of people in Kali, like the less populated northern part don't like whats happening there. I don't have a cure for any of this but.... I do agree: if you are not going to leave California and all of it's liberal misery behind why bother to move? Please stay out of Alaska, things are good there. Don't bring the virus there. Move to Chicago or something.
 
It's the stinking oregonians/washingtonians/ohioans/... that have caused the stench in California.

We native Californians, and we are few, would like to eject you scum and return CA to the great place it was 30+ years ago.
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Those who don't identify themselves with "coasties" are still folks who allowed Kali to slip down the tubes without so much as a whimper.
Not true, not even a little.

And then the irony alarm failed to go off in Nogales, AZ.:p
 
I haven't read much of this thread

And I am certainly not going to take the Low Road, but as an outsider who has lived in all 3 of these states (WA, then OR, now CA) I can understand some of the attitude towards California. It really sucked to live in two small coastal towns of less than 6000 people and to have gang problems in both. In both towns the local cops, sheriffs and state patrol blamed the gangs problems on gangs from CA that have expanded their influence northwards.

During the rolling blackouts caused by Enron I was an Oregon resident and even attended a couple of weeks of training in Oakland. It was really hot and uncomfortable in that training room with no air conditioning because of the power outages. To learn later on that there was no power shortage, just a bunch of greedy corporate executives, really pissed off a lot of people in Orgegon. Especially since Oregon was diverting power for the people in California.

Having said all that I really can't blame Californians for Vera Katz, all the kooks at Evergreen College ( I had the honor of meeting a few through my inlaws) or the total rednecks who lived in the two small coastal towns that I lived in. Some of those people would have made a Klansman proud. I love the high desert, the Cascades and the Sierra but until all 3 states get their act together I am going to plan on retiring somewhere else.

edit: Some of the posts here were actually pretty amusing. Plus I can't stand rainy gray winters anymore so all of these states are out for me!
 
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UberPhLuBB said:
I know I want to live right near the border between Oregon and Washington, but I haven't decided in which state to live.
Vancouver, WA seems rather ideal. No Washington income tax and one can shop across the river sales tax free.

UberPhLuBB said:
I know Washington has some silly gun laws, and Oregon is being liberalized.
Only thing silly in Washington's laws are the vagueness surrounding open carry and the machine gun ban. The open carry thing however might be changing.

No AWBs and Washington is a Shall Issue state.

Knife laws in Washington can get a little goofy. The language seems to turn almost any folder into a switchblade, which they and balisongs are illegal here--unlike in Oregon where Benchmade makes it's home. However, we have Marty and Gila Hayes and the Firearms Academy of Seattle.
:D

Oregonians are allowed into FAS classes if they bring their vaccination records.
:neener:

Both Washington and Oregon are fairly liberal in their politics, and the forces of darkness are working to try and make the gun laws more restrictive in both states.

Can't speak for Vancouver, but real estate around the Puget Sound is ridiculously high and getting worse. Windermere's site is really good for house hunting in an area.
http://www.windermere.com/

Use their Interactive map search to find a place and see the surrounding area relative to the house.
http://www.windermere.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=listing.searchPropertyMapv2

UberPhLuBB said:
To Oregon and Washington natives, where should I go and why?
As a transplant to Washington from Maryland (by way of Florida, Pennsylvania and North Carolina), I say come to Washington. The more gunowners here the better.

One thing about the elitist snobs who whine about you moving into "their state", if you ask a few questions you may discover that they too are transplants from another state who've just been here long enough that they feel justified in claiming aboriginal status.

Yeah, winter days are short and grey and all, but ya just kinda grow duck feathers or invest in Goretex and get used to it. Besides, there's a coffee shop on every street corner an abundance of bookstores and a very good system of libraries--at least here around the Sound.

Summers are outstanding. Wife and I coulda almost claimed residence in Federal Way as often as we took the kids to Wild Waves this year.
http://www.sixflags.com/parks/enchantedvillage/index.asp

Power outages up here recently made news. A few dingbats killed themselves with carbon monoxide poisoning, but I didn't hear about a single person who died of exposure.

Washington has the 4th largest concentration of CCW licensees. PA, IN and SD hold the #3, #2 and #1 slots. Between 1999 and 2004, we were #33 in Murder, #26 in Robbery and #30 in Aggravated Assault. Unfortunately, we were also #5 in Rape.

Oregon's crime is a bit lower, but I have heard from a few Oregon transplants that it's a lot wetter down there.

Washington also boasts a very civil and active CCW and gun discussion group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wa-ccw/

Dr. Mike Brown of DSGL moderates the WA-CCW list as well as the SW-WA-Guns list.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-wa-guns/
 
I am considering moving to rural Texas or Oklahoma if some financial things fall into place or a decent job can be found there.

NO! NO!

Texas, maybe. Not Oklahoma! We're full! Actually, we've moved! Oklahoma isn't where it used to be! And we didn't leave a forwarding address!

Oklahoma? What's that? Never heard of it!

We don't want any left-wing refugees! Period!
 
Joe Gunn said it best. I wonder sometimes if all politics aside, simply having more people unavoidably colors the situation. More people, less freedom.
 
I went to college (in the 80's) in California, and the most common bumper sticker I saw said "welcome to California, now go home". I thought geez, how friendly of them...

I moved to Oregon two years ago. People were friendly and open, I would say I just moved here, and with some their smile would fade and they'd ask where I was from, I'd say 'back east' and the smile would return. Some would boldly state, "glad you're not from California".

So, as you can see, it's not just a myth that there is some resentment in general. But the bottom line is that anyone who's going to judge you based on where you are from without ever getting to know who you are, isn't worth your time. Figure that the part of the population that writes you off for being from California just did you a favor, they saved you the time of finding out some other way that they're simple minded folks. Just the fact that you are on this board should have been a clue - at least to this 'community' - that the chances are you're not some anti-gun pro-government socialist etc. etc. etc. I was a bit shocked to see how low this road has gotten.

You'll find good people in both states, find the job/house/terrain you're looking for, and you'll be fine.
 
If you decide on Western Washington, King County/Pierce County in particular, be prepared for the Washington Rain Festival (runs Jan 1 thru Dec 31). Currently in full swim...er...swing. A number of good gun shows in the western part of the state, run by the Washington Arms Collectors (shows at the Puyallup and Monroe fairgrounds) and Falcon Productions (Mount Vernon, Deming, and Port Angeles) are the two largest. Options to consider.
 
Can you believe there wasn’t a store within forty miles of the rented homes to compare with any gun store I left behind, and this was in a “major” metro area, times have sure changed! I once bought a new Colt 1991a1, four years later it was still NIB. I still have to drive twenty miles to get to what I consider a gun store.

Seattle has the same problem. I can only think of two gunshops within the Seattle city limits, and there arent any ranges at all. There are a couple within driving distance, but not many of them and they arent all that great.

You people who suggest I go to whichever state isn't yours make me SICK. You think you're morally superior to me because I was born in California? You think I have the same views as people on the coast? You think simply because I was born in this state that I agree with it's politics? Why do you think I want to LEAVE? It sure isn't the weather.

Almost every person to post in this thread from Oregon or Washington is a presumptuous, self-righteous wretch. You think you're being funny; you're vile, horrible people. Truely terrible human beings. You make me want to skip the entire West coast, but I'm not going to do you that favor. I'm moving to Oregon or Washington because of my extended family there, it just seems I'm going to have to do my own work instead of rely on such inhospitable people.

High Road? Not hardly, neither for you Oregonians, Washingtonians or for me.

Most of what you heard was in jest (and obvious as such). Your reaction is itself symptomatic of how the Californian-transplant cliche got started. There is a different culture up here, and people will give you a hard time with a smile on their face, you pretty much have to hand it back, having a tantrum about it wont win a lot of friends. Of course, you could just live in Seattle or Portland with all the other Californians and avoid the whole problem :neener:
 
What a thread. I guess I'm somewhat qualified to opine. I'm an Oregon native turned economic refugee. Back in the mid-80's the economy sputtered especially in Oregon and I was forced to look else where for employment to feed wife and child. I was offered a job in San Diego California and after much thought took the job. I've been in San Diego the last twenty years living well. Best economic decision I've ever made was to come to San Diego. It's not home but trading Fir for Palms is OK. Many the years I've looked to go back to Oregon but the economics just didn't make sense. In my field I'm earning 50 to 100 percent more than I could in Oregon. I love the northwest and trek back every summer to visit and see relatives. I've decidied to return to Oregon when I retire bringing a good pension and a fat wad of cash from selling a house in San DIego with me. If my fellow Oregonians resent this - so what? No one will refuse my money.
 
I always check out threads of this topic because I'm preparing to retire.

Like an increasing number of folks in my line of work, retirement means I'll be leaving California.

I wasn't born here, although I've spent virtually my entire life here, having lived here for approx 50 years. I've lived in both ends of the state, in urban and rural areas.

California certainly isn't the same state in which I grew up, but how many states really are, nowadays?

Still, it's become different enough in some important respects, at least to me, during my adult years, that I'm not even entertaining the notion of remaining here once I retire. I'm going to be taking my retirement income (and tax dollars) out of this state.

I've spent occasional time in Oregon & Washington during the last 30 years because of family. I'm more familiar with the southern end of Oregon, particularly Medford & Grants Pass. I also spend time most years in the Seattle area and the northern end of the Olympic Peninsula (Port Angeles, Sequim & Port Townsend).

Having developed an appreciation and enjoyment of fine cigars in the last few years, I've realized that WA has enacted some rather draconian laws which would severely curtail my enjoyment of being able to find, purchase and enjoy fine cigars locally in that state. In this respect, WA may well be the model for CA's politicians to follow.

Granted, CA may have only staved off similar tobacco taxes temporarily, as the state legislature apparently feels the people of the state didn't know what they were doing when they voted down Prop 86, and is reportedly considering legislation to impose a drastic tax. I'll really miss the friendly atmospheres of the cigar lounges (some of which are rather more like private clubs, if you will) of CA, though, if nothing else.

Firearms laws? I won't miss CA's laws and regulations in the least.

I'll also miss CA's temperate climate. I've come to enjoy cruiser motorcycles in the last several years, and own a couple of them. Naturally, I'll want to spend even more time riding once I retire, and would like to find a climate which allows riding a fair portion of the year without needing pontoons attached to the bike. The spring, summer and fall weather of WA's Banana Belt always tempts me when we're visiting WA. The coffee shops & bookstores are pleasant ways to pass the winter hours, but I want to be able to ride in the warmer weather.

I don't plan on working at another job when I retire, although I'd like to live within an hour's drive of a reasonably sized metropolitan area (hospitals, entertainment, dining, etc., etc.). I may, or may not, consider seeing if some smaller PD or SO might find it helpful to employ the part time services of a former CA LE firearms instructor & armorer ... very inexpensively ... if only to let me keep my assorted armorer's certifications current, and perhaps still have at least limited have access to an agency range & ammunition inventory, truth be told. ;) Pay for my armorers recertifications, cover me if they want me to teach the troops, let me use the range and ammunition to keep the rust knocked off, and that would be 'pay' enough.

I'm not sure I'd want to become involved in being a commercial firearms instructor, or teach martial arts, again, though. Having been a LE firearms instructor since '90. I'm about ready to either retire form it entirely, or else cut back and just keep my hand in it in a small way.

The congestion and apparent local political climate of Seattle and Portland don't really appeal to me, although there is much of Seattle that I really find enjoyable and interesting. I just don't want to live in the area.

Over the years I've found a lot of folks in both states to be friendly, cordial and enjoyable company ... even when they learned I was just visiting from CA. I particularly enjoy the people I've met on the Olympic Peninsula. Lots of displaced Californians, too.

Still looking for property, though. We're thinking of looking slightly west of Vancouver WA, to see if that would fit most of our desires and needs. Anybody around the forum live in that area?

Shame about the attitudes and silliness in some of these threads, though.
 
P&R is wrong. There is a culture sthicko in both OR and WA that pretends to hate CA'ians but on a personal one-on-one level, it's rarely true. Come to the PNW, enjoy the area, jobs, climate, gun fun, and we'll all just get along.
-terry
 
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