Called the Sheriff on some Road Hunters last night.

I know I probably don't have to say this, but Imma say it anyway.

People who don't respect other people's property and willfully violate it are probably more prone to aggravation and violence than the average person. The fact that they're also deliberately sneaking around doing this while armed, and willing to lie about it to boot, makes them a bit more dangerous to confront...whether you're also armed or not.

So be careful on how you handle encounters. It's hate to hear of anybody here being hurt or killed by such idiots.

I just finished reading another thread on another forum which posted just such an event.
 
In Virginia you can go on posted property looking for your dog , but you can’t carry a firearm and you have to walk .
I'm in NC and you can pretty much do whatever you want looking for a dog. Myself and some others had to get pretty nasty with some bear hunters about 10 years ago. They let their dogs out in the road and would just put our gates down and drive through our land. Game wardens said nothing they could do.

I promised to have 2ft traps (26 is max legal) baited with ribeye and id cut their expensive dogs in half. It got pretty ugly but they knew I wasn't bluffing. Id have hated to do it . I like dogs. People not so much.

Last year I was taking my daughter hunting and went to one spot.... guy in a stand. I waves and backed down. He actually carried his stand in every day. Probably 4 miles. Lol. Thats dedication. Went over a ridge... guy on the ground..... usually I just go to some other spot of mine. And I do leave mine unposted. I know some People have no land to hunt. I have been in a crappy mood though and decide to get the racing atvs out, or go for an impromptu ride on the timber jack. Lol
 
I like it when they use the I know the owner and he gave me permission garbage! My first question is who is the owner? Followed by do you know where are the boundaries?

I hunt my father's land. Along with him and my Brother in law.

My land was my dad's. Its mine now but he can do what he wishes to it. I'm a JR so same name anyway. Lol

I know I probably don't have to say this, but Imma say it anyway.

People who don't respect other people's property and willfully violate it are probably more prone to aggravation and violence than the average person. The fact that they're also deliberately sneaking around doing this while armed, and willing to lie about it to boot, makes them a bit more dangerous to confront...whether you're also armed or not.

So be careful on how you handle encounters. It's hate to hear of anybody here being hurt or killed by such idiots.

I just finished reading another thread on another forum which posted just such an event.
I always said that about the game wardens. We have 430 square miles in the county, and a single warden. And as a LEO you know there is a small chance the guy you pull is armed. As s warden you know he is definitely armed and he will see you before you see him most likely.

That said in all my encounters with morons using my land as their own, its never been all that tense. Usually they realize I'm the owner and I didn't give a crap of they were hunting to begin with. Lying to me pisses me off. Killing deer doesn't (which we have too many of and have to kill with de-predation permits to even have a fence or trees)

Leaving gates open pisses me off . Shooting our cattle in the eye at night pisses me off. But those things we never know who did it. Between me, one neighbor and one guy up the road AT LEAST one of us gets an animal shot in the eye every year. Our cattle, one guys horses (we never had a horse shot) or the others goats. I see People miss deer In daylight from 50 yards all the time but apparently the real marksman come out at night and never miss.
 
I'm in NC and you can pretty much do whatever you want looking for a dog.
In Wisconsin, you can be charged with trespassing if you allow your dog to wander on property you do not permission to access. You can also be charged with trespassing, if it can be proved you allowed a bullet to land on property you do not have permission to access. You do not need to post your land unless you border public land and folks need permission, either written or oral to access any private land. You as a hunter are responsible to know who's land you are on. None of this stops willful trespassing, but it does slow it down and it does give landowners the rights they deserve.


I like it when they use the I know the owner and he gave me permission garbage!

My brother regularly deals in what he calls "dirt" Buying and selling of land. Many times while hunting a newly acquired piece of property we have been challenged by folks who have been hunting the property for years. Some even have permanent stands built. In the defense of some, they may not have known the land had been sold. Some would apologize and leave(sometimes we would allow those to stay), but some also would refuse until the law was called. Then there were those that would lament that "I have nowhere else to go". There were always a few, that after being asked to leave, would come back later in the season if and when they didn't see a vehicle parked there.
 
In Wisconsin, you can be charged with trespassing if you allow your dog to wander on property you do not permission to access. You can also be charged with trespassing, if it can be proved you allowed a bullet to land on property you do not have permission to access. You do not need to post your land unless you border public land and folks need permission, either written or oral to access any private land. You as a hunter are responsible to know who's land you are on. None of this stops willful trespassing, but it does slow it down and it does give landowners the rights they deserve.


I have several buddies in LE and knew 2 of the three warden we have had in the past 30 years. Our laws are either vague or just nobody understands them. Lol.

You are "supposed" to have written permission to be hunting in any ones land. BUT if your game crosses into other land you can go get it. You can even have a warden come escort you. We also have s decent amount of land owner protections. So everyone thought the law would back then running these guys off.

With the bear hunters a few years back, a lot of the people having problems did have their land legally posted and they still told us there was nothing they could do if they were following their dogs. Mine personally wasn't posted. In my case with cattle I was told that I could technically shoot the barking dogs thinking they were chasing castle, But my issues weren't the dogs, nor really even the hunting, it was the driving through the field and gates at any hour they chose. There was half that meadow that I wouldn't drive an atv through because it was wet and ruined the ground and those guys just wheeled through it. I didn't want to harm their dogs (and nobody said I was allowed to take the lapua to an engine block lol) As far as the bear I didn't even care. They are quite destructive to trees and my buddy had some bee gums in there and the bear were hell on those and game cams too. Back then the game came used a flash and film and got the bears curious. I had several that the last picture they ever took was a bear snout. Lol. We are allowed a 26 inch trap in water and I would have had one in the crossing their dogs used if they kept pressing it. Some of them had dogs costing several k.

In a lot of cases the owners saw the guys. In my case they made sure we were not around. The land is 30 minutes from where we live. Id have parked a dozer in the gap and let them try to get their trucks out some other way. Lol. Would have had to destroyed the trucks or parked them. For whatever reason they quit though. They had trucks with big antenna and boxes built specifically for deer hunting. It was a pretty big deal. Made the paper.
 
In Wisconsin, you can be charged with trespassing if you allow your dog to wander on property you do not permission to access. You can also be charged with trespassing, if it can be proved you allowed a bullet to land on property you do not have permission to access. You do not need to post your land unless you border public land and folks need permission, either written or oral to access any private land. You as a hunter are responsible to know who's land you are on. None of this stops willful trespassing, but it does slow it down and it does give landowners the rights they deserve

As a Wisconsinite, I like that the responsibility is not forced on the land owner.
 
We have a lot of that here as well. One particular scumbag bragged about shooting hundreds of deer a year, all year round. Haven't seen him in a while, hope he's rotting in prison.
Yeah a father son team around here had something like that going on but they were caught very, very red handed. I think they were able to determine that they had collectively taken hundreds of illegal deer, they had tons of evidence against em. I wish I knew the end of the story, shouldn't be too hard to find but I'd like to know what the prison terms were. Game Wardens around here don't play, they would walk 50 miles uphill to catch a poacher in the act.

Sad thing is, that was only one set of scumbags, there are many more just like em..... especially up north in the more remote mountains....
 
In Vermont you can hunt on any property that is not posted, and if it is posted, it needs to be signed and dated every year or it isn't valid. My uncle bub used to hunt in his years as a vermonter but he put down roots in SC and when I asked him if he'd done any hunting he said it was too much of a bother. Said you basically have to belong to a club of hunters and pay to lease land and that it wasn't like VT where you just grab your rifle and head into the thickets or wherever you please....
 
In Vermont you can hunt on any property that is not posted, and if it is posted, it needs to be signed and dated every year or it isn't valid.
That's how it was here in Wisconsin years ago. Signs could not be more than 40 yards apart. Unscrupulous folks would go out the night before season and take down the signs and claim they had a right to hunt there because the signage was not legal. After paying for the land, paying taxes on it, stewarding the land and feeding the game on it, why should a landowner have to jump thru hoops to keep dirtballs off?
 
That's how it was here in Wisconsin years ago. Signs could not be more than 40 yards apart. Unscrupulous folks would go out the night before season and take down the signs and claim they had a right to hunt there because the signage was not legal. After paying for the land, paying taxes on it, stewarding the land and feeding the game on it, why should a landowner have to jump thru hoops to keep dirtballs off?
I'm so glad that has changed.
 
That's how it was here in Wisconsin years ago. Signs could not be more than 40 yards apart. Unscrupulous folks would go out the night before season and take down the signs and claim they had a right to hunt there because the signage was not legal. After paying for the land, paying taxes on it, stewarding the land and feeding the game on it, why should a landowner have to jump thru hoops to keep dirtballs off?
That's bogus. I wouldn't hunt land that was posted valid or not, if the landowner is there and posted it within the last couple years, I'd stay off it. If I really wanted to hunt a piece that was posted, there is no harm in asking for permission. As for the bozos tearing down signs, why the heck would you want to be somewhere you were not wanted.

I won't lie though, it is irritating when folks from out of state that don't even live here buy up 300 acres and post it all. Lots of posted land belongs to rich out of staters..
 
why the heck would you want to be somewhere you were not wanted.

Why would folks shoot deer from the window of their pick-up truck using a spotlight? Greed and no ethics. Folks that don't have a piece of ground to hunt and want to go hunting, will take a chance of getting caught and getting their butt chewed when they think they may get out of there with a nice buck. I have been hunting where a land-owner has kicked the same person/group off multiple times a season. I continuously have neighbors and strangers on trail cams hunting or foraging on our property, ev tho they know they don;t have permission. They think their permission is not seeing one of our vehicles in the driveway. I compare it to going into your neighbor's garage when you know he's not home and taking his tools. Low morals and no ethics.
I won't lie though, it is irritating when folks from out of state that don't even live here buy up 300 acres and post it all. Lots of posted land belongs to rich out of staters..
...and IMHO, that is their right. I see many folks that never paid for land, never paid taxes on the land and never once helped the landowner with fences or clearing brush, etc. cry like babies when someone else buys the property and then doesn't allow them to hunt it. You want to hunt it, buy it, lease it or help out the landowner. Expecting a free lunch every year is just plain foolishness.
 
In Vermont you can hunt on any property that is not posted, and if it is posted, it needs to be signed and dated every year or it isn't valid.
I think that's why North Carolina came up with idea for the purple paint we can use here. You can just spray paint trees, fence posts, etc. and Wally World sells it. I don't know the full regs off the top of my head. Anyway, it's s hard to pull paint down paint off a tree.
 
Sitting in my blind yesterday late afternoon I hear a vehicle driving up and down all the roads around me in my private subdivision (10 acre or greater lots with a private gated road). He then drives down my dead end road, right next to my blind.

I yelled at them "Trying to hunt here!" The passenger yells back "I lease all this land from Charles _________." I yell back "This is all private land in here and thanks for ruining my hunt!" The passenger yells, "I don't know why you are yelling at me..."

Genius! You're road hunting during the prime afternoon hunting hours of Opening Weekend!

I called my neighbor who is a Deputy. He went out and stopped the truck and asked them to leave the area. The kid gave him the same story that he leases all the land in here from Charles.

I then called Charles______ who does own land in our subdivision. He told me none of the land in there, that he owns, is leased out for hunting. I have previously received permission from Charles to hunt the 10 acre lot south of me and mentioned that to him. I also asked for and received permission to hunt the 20 acre lot north of me during this phone call.

I let my neighbor the Deputy know that kid was lying to him. He said to let him know if the kid comes back.

I'm done with these dirt bag locals that think they can hunt anywhere they please.

Would have been fun to have called Charles while you were with the kid.

I expect to see more and more of this as our societal collapse continues.
 
...and IMHO, that is their right. I see many folks that never paid for land, never paid taxes on the land and never once helped the landowner with fences or clearing brush, etc. cry like babies when someone else buys the property and then doesn't allow them to hunt it. You want to hunt it, buy it, lease it or help out the landowner. Expecting a free lunch every year is just plain foolishness
Perfectly understood and agreed. But it is irritating nonetheless. Tons of acres that were free to hunt around here are posted up by guys with helipads and 3 or 4 homes and want to throw a 4th of July bash every year kind of thing. Not a matter of whether it's their right, they come here and act snobby and superior to the locals, and in my particular case I've had situations where well monied neighbors complain about my shooting on my lil slice, in some cases these are people with helicopters and have care takers who come down the right of way that cuts through the land and flip an attitude like they own everything. The type of people who don't throw up a wave back on the road, they don't know anything about being neighborly and cultivating good rapport and cooperation with surrounding neighbors. They act like they own it all. It's just a irritant more than anything, I have no wish to associate with people like that, but give me grief about occasional shooting and try to dictate terms and overstep their bounds on your own property, seems foolish.

there is a reason that some of the 4th and 5th generations don't feel especially warm toward their rich neighbors who buy up half the hill but act like they own the whole thing. When somebody own 300 acres but makes it a point to shoot right on the line of your 9 acre spread is also a pretty clear cut message. Blowing up 25lbs of tannerite in the same place is someone who is trying to flex on you. That's not just my experience, there is alot of that around here. These people, some at least, know nothing about being friendly and respectful neighbors, all flexing.
 
Sitting in my blind yesterday late afternoon I hear a vehicle driving up and down all the roads around me in my private subdivision (10 acre or greater lots with a private gated road). He then drives down my dead end road, right next to my blind.

I yelled at them "Trying to hunt here!" The passenger yells back "I lease all this land from Charles _________." I yell back "This is all private land in here and thanks for ruining my hunt!" The passenger yells, "I don't know why you are yelling at me..."

Genius! You're road hunting during the prime afternoon hunting hours of Opening Weekend!

I called my neighbor who is a Deputy. He went out and stopped the truck and asked them to leave the area. The kid gave him the same story that he leases all the land in here from Charles.

I then called Charles______ who does own land in our subdivision. He told me none of the land in there, that he owns, is leased out for hunting. I have previously received permission from Charles to hunt the 10 acre lot south of me and mentioned that to him. I also asked for and received permission to hunt the 20 acre lot north of me during this phone call.

I let my neighbor the Deputy know that kid was lying to him. He said to let him know if the kid comes back.

I'm done with these dirt bag locals that think they can hunt anywhere they please.
Put up a game camera get the pictures advise the Sheriff and if they did shoot at anything that is trespass with a firearm and felony3rd degree in Fl
 
I'd be real cautious about confronting armed trespassers or people interfering with my hunt. If I could have a calm conversation informing them that they aren't supposed to be here I would, but yelling or creating a confrontation isn't a bright idea between two armed parties. Call law enforcement and let them handle it.
 
I'd be real cautious about confronting armed trespassers or people interfering with my hunt. If I could have a calm conversation informing them that they aren't supposed to be here I would, but yelling or creating a confrontation isn't a bright idea between two armed parties. Call law enforcement and let them handle it.
Property disputes and trespassing on land, at least around here and by the VSP and CSD's are by their own admission, about the lowest of priorities. Sometimes they will flat out tell you that they don't get involved in trespassing, heck, half the time you're lucky if a LEO even responds to a burglary or theft.

If I had folks trespassing on my property, especially if they were warned or were well known jerks, sounds like a good day to target practice. Not to be interpreted as a violent or armed confrontation, but from a good ways away with a safe backstop, I don't see why that wouldn't be a perfect time to check function of any 60rd drums or 30rd magazines you might have. It would take alot of stones to confront the guy who owns the property and who just spoiled your hunt especially if you are trespassing and you've already been told........
 
I think that's why North Carolina came up with idea for the purple paint we can use here. You can just spray paint trees, fence posts, etc. and Wally World sells it. I don't know the full regs off the top of my head. Anyway, it's s hard to pull paint down paint off a tree.

It's good that paint works there, too. It's way easier to paint, it doesn't come down easily, etc. I think the signs with owner info are still needed, just not as many and their absence doesn't mean someone can traipse into private property.
Purple paint is only the equivalent of no hunting/ fishing. Not no trespass from what the statute says. Signs are still the only "no trespass" method. So the guy "bird watching" or "hiking" is still fine with purple paint. And even then if they are "looking for their dogs" they are allowed.

Again I'm in NC and have been through it with the lawyer and the warden/ Leo

It's also a big pia to paint trees less than 100 yards apart and each has to be visible from the one before. If there is a single spot where you can cross the property line without seeing purple paint.... its not marked.

Either way you're not keeping the illegal poachers from poaching by legally posting the land unless it's a tiny lot. That will work about as well as legal no gun signs stopping a murderer. Law breakers tend to not worry so much about breaking the law......
Put up a game camera get the pictures advise the Sheriff and if they did shoot at anything that is trespass with a firearm and felony3rd degree in Fl

Unless you have " cameras in use" signage nothing holds up in court from what the lawyers told us. My home has security cameras and we were advised to get signage or our wouldn't be admissible.
 
Purple paint is only the equivalent of no hunting/ fishing. Not no trespass from what the statute says. Signs are still the only "no trespass" method. So the guy "bird watching" or "hiking" is still fine with purple paint. And even then if they are "looking for their dogs" they are allowed.

Again I'm in NC and have been through it with the lawyer and the warden/ Leo

It's also a big pia to paint trees less than 100 yards apart and each has to be visible from the one before. If there is a single spot where you can cross the property line without seeing purple paint.... its not marked.

Either way you're not keeping the illegal poachers from poaching by legally posting the land unless it's a tiny lot. That will work about as well as legal no gun signs stopping a murderer. Law breakers tend to not worry so much about breaking the law......


Unless you have " cameras in use" signage nothing holds up in court from what the lawyers told us. My home has security cameras and we were advised to get signage or our wouldn't be admissible.
I'm in NC too, on 10 acres. However, I haven't had a lick of trouble, so I only glanced over the regs. I don't even have purple paint.
 
I'm in NC too, on 10 acres. However, I haven't had a lick of trouble, so I only glanced over the regs. I don't even have purple paint.
I don't have any either. I leave mine open. I do have people who post though, and I had the bear hunter incident too. Some of my land is detatched from where I live and is fairly remote so posting it would be useless anyway.
 
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