Can I Open Carry a Telescoping Baton In Ohio
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However that is not the case with Ohio:
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
It is illegal to sell them within the state though.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.20
Granted, open carry is a risk in and of it self, law or no. Unless your a uniformed guard, you are going to get some reactions from police officers who see you.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
It is illegal to sell them within the state though.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.20
Granted, open carry is a risk in and of it self, law or no. Unless your a uniformed guard, you are going to get some reactions from police officers who see you.
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Huh?
I bought one recently, no hassle, no questions asked.
Either that law is fictional, obsolete, or not enforced ... because I bought the thing at a shop that caters to and sells to police.
ORC Defining a Deadly
The ORC defining a deadly weapon follows and case law has extablished that a tire iron used as a weapon is a deadly weapon. Basically I believe that anything used as a weapon to assult another can be construed to be a deadly weapon.
2923.11 Weapons control definitions.
As used in sections 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code:
(A) “Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.
(B)(1) “Firearm” means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. “Firearm” includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm that is inoperable but that can readily be rendered operable.
(2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm.
(C) “Handgun” means any of the following:
(1) Any firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand;
(2) Any combination of parts from which a firearm of a type described in division (C)(1) of this section can be assembled.
(D) “Semi-automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a succeeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger.
(E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.
(F) “Sawed-off firearm” means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall.
(G) “Zip-gun” means any of the following:
(1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture;
(2) Any device, including without limitation a starter’s pistol, that is not designed as a firearm, but that is specially adapted for use as a firearm;
(3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety device, that is not designed as a firearm, but that as designed is capable of use as such, when possessed, carried, or used as a firearm.
(H) “Explosive device” means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. “Explosive device” includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel that has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode.
(I) “Incendiary device” means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it.
(J) “Ballistic knife” means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism.
(K) “Dangerous ordnance” means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:
(1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearm, zip-gun, or ballistic knife;
(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device;
(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;
(4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece, grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon;
(5) Any firearm muffler or silencer;
(6) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordnance.
(L) “Dangerous ordnance” does not include any of the following:
(1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual age, that employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system, or that is designed and safe for use only with black powder;
(2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable for sporting purposes, including a military weapon as issued or as modified, and the ammunition for that weapon, unless the firearm is an automatic or sawed-off firearm;
(3) Any cannon or other artillery piece that, regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only with black powder;
(4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L)(3) of this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition;
(5) Dangerous ordnance that is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and that is kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece.
(6) Any device that is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the “Gun Control Act of 1968,” 82 Stat. 1213, 921, as amended, and regulations issued under that act.
(M) “Explosive” means any chemical compound, mixture, or device, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by explosion. “Explosive” includes all materials that have been classified as division 1.1, division 1.2, division 1.3, or division 1.4 explosives by the United States department of transportation in its regulations and includes, but is not limited to, dynamite, black powder, pellet powders, initiating explosives, blasting caps, electric blasting caps, safety fuses, fuse igniters, squibs, cordeau detonant fuses, instantaneous fuses, and igniter cords and igniters. “Explosive” does not include “fireworks,” as defined in section 3743.01 of the Revised Code, or any substance or material otherwise meeting the definition of explosive set forth in this section that is manufactured, sold, possessed, transported, stored, or used in any activity described in section 3743.80 of the Revised Code, provided the activity is conducted in accordance with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations, including, but not limited to, the provisions of section 3743.80 of the Revised Code and the rules of the fire marshal adopted pursuant to section 3737.82 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 04-08-2004; 2008 HB562 09-22-2008
The ORC defining a deadly weapon follows and case law has extablished that a tire iron used as a weapon is a deadly weapon. Basically I believe that anything used as a weapon to assult another can be construed to be a deadly weapon.
2923.11 Weapons control definitions.
As used in sections 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code:
(A) “Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.
(B)(1) “Firearm” means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. “Firearm” includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm that is inoperable but that can readily be rendered operable.
(2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm.
(C) “Handgun” means any of the following:
(1) Any firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand;
(2) Any combination of parts from which a firearm of a type described in division (C)(1) of this section can be assembled.
(D) “Semi-automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a succeeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger.
(E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.
(F) “Sawed-off firearm” means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall.
(G) “Zip-gun” means any of the following:
(1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture;
(2) Any device, including without limitation a starter’s pistol, that is not designed as a firearm, but that is specially adapted for use as a firearm;
(3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety device, that is not designed as a firearm, but that as designed is capable of use as such, when possessed, carried, or used as a firearm.
(H) “Explosive device” means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. “Explosive device” includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel that has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode.
(I) “Incendiary device” means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it.
(J) “Ballistic knife” means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism.
(K) “Dangerous ordnance” means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:
(1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearm, zip-gun, or ballistic knife;
(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device;
(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;
(4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece, grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon;
(5) Any firearm muffler or silencer;
(6) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordnance.
(L) “Dangerous ordnance” does not include any of the following:
(1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual age, that employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system, or that is designed and safe for use only with black powder;
(2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable for sporting purposes, including a military weapon as issued or as modified, and the ammunition for that weapon, unless the firearm is an automatic or sawed-off firearm;
(3) Any cannon or other artillery piece that, regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only with black powder;
(4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L)(3) of this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition;
(5) Dangerous ordnance that is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and that is kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece.
(6) Any device that is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the “Gun Control Act of 1968,” 82 Stat. 1213, 921, as amended, and regulations issued under that act.
(M) “Explosive” means any chemical compound, mixture, or device, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by explosion. “Explosive” includes all materials that have been classified as division 1.1, division 1.2, division 1.3, or division 1.4 explosives by the United States department of transportation in its regulations and includes, but is not limited to, dynamite, black powder, pellet powders, initiating explosives, blasting caps, electric blasting caps, safety fuses, fuse igniters, squibs, cordeau detonant fuses, instantaneous fuses, and igniter cords and igniters. “Explosive” does not include “fireworks,” as defined in section 3743.01 of the Revised Code, or any substance or material otherwise meeting the definition of explosive set forth in this section that is manufactured, sold, possessed, transported, stored, or used in any activity described in section 3743.80 of the Revised Code, provided the activity is conducted in accordance with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations, including, but not limited to, the provisions of section 3743.80 of the Revised Code and the rules of the fire marshal adopted pursuant to section 3737.82 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 04-08-2004; 2008 HB562 09-22-2008
The link provided is right from the state government, so...my bet's on the latter. It's not illegal to sell to LE per that law; maybe nobody cares enough to make the distinction.
amd6547
Member
Maybe somebody can fill me in: What is the idea behind the collapsible baton? You can carry a cane, a converta-chuck, tonfa, throwing knives, all kinds of weapons designed for martial arts. If the idea is just to have something with heavy metal whip force, maybe a manriki chain would do the job. I'd be more inclined to stick with something traditional.
You get an instant bonkin' stick with a nice heavy end when you need it and only have to carry around something the size of a large flashlight?
Beyond that, I don't know ... I got bored with it about the same time a sister-in-law was making a long road trip solo on short notice. She was happy to take the "instant bonkin' stick" and I haven't asked for it back.
Ohio law does not prohibit open carry of an expandable baton, but would prohibit concealed carry. A Concealed Handgun License does not extend to any other type of weapon.
Most incorporated cities or villages in Ohio have ordinances prohibiting the carry of weapons either openly or concealed. State law has preempted these ordinances as far as firearms are concerned, but the preemption does not extend to other weapons, so those laws are still in effect.
Most incorporated cities or villages in Ohio have ordinances prohibiting the carry of weapons either openly or concealed. State law has preempted these ordinances as far as firearms are concerned, but the preemption does not extend to other weapons, so those laws are still in effect.
Right. That's exactly how it looks. Terrible strategy. Weapons of the 12" to 36" length really need hard training to be effective and the spring batons seem to be marketed as if they are effective for the unskilled user. Sure, they're better than nothing, but it's better to work at this sort of thing.
So you suggest the OP carry one of the most obscure japanese weapons, and then chastise bigfatdave for saying it's a bonkin' stick?
That's not a cool argument to make.
Granted, I agree that not being trained is going to limit the things usefulness, but I doubt anyone outside of the LE / mall ninja and filipino martial arts world is going to get baton training.
Spring?
They're extended through centripetal acceleration and/or gravity ... spring-loaded would be overly complicated, really.
Training might make one more effective, but some thinking and some experimenting on a bonkin' target (I used a shot-up target holder that was beyond dead at my outdoor range, in fact) will show a user how to:
-1- use the effective part of the bonkin' stick
-2- not bonk one's self
-3- get it into action rapidly
I think a chain-based bonkin' device would be more likely to injure the user if clumsily wielded than a stick-type, by the way.
I believe he is referring to those bonking sticks where the shaft is made out of a coil spring and there is a heavy bonk-knob on the end.
TimboKhan
Member
There is some good training available for asps, and I am certainly not implying one shouldn't take that training if one so desires. On the other hand, how hard is it to swing a bonking stick at someones grill? Training might make you more effective, but wild desperation has it's merits.
My careful reading of this post resulted in me using practically the exact same phrase as BFD. Man, I am losersauce.
My careful reading of this post resulted in me using practically the exact same phrase as BFD. Man, I am losersauce.
How else would you describe it?
At first you have a little flashlight-sized thing, and then ... surprise! ... you have a bonkin' stick!
Beats the crap out of grappling or even getting into pocketknife distances, the shortest ones will still add a good foot to your reach.
Here's a good article about use of an extending baton by Kellene Bishop ... it is aimed at women but the wonderful thing about bonkin' sticks is that they don't care about the plumbing of the wielder.
That being said, I'll take a handgun in almost all cases ... I'd add a baton before pepper spray, but I'm just not adding any more crap to my daily load anymore.
At first you have a little flashlight-sized thing, and then ... surprise! ... you have a bonkin' stick!
Beats the crap out of grappling or even getting into pocketknife distances, the shortest ones will still add a good foot to your reach.
Here's a good article about use of an extending baton by Kellene Bishop ... it is aimed at women but the wonderful thing about bonkin' sticks is that they don't care about the plumbing of the wielder.
That being said, I'll take a handgun in almost all cases ... I'd add a baton before pepper spray, but I'm just not adding any more crap to my daily load anymore.
You'll need to check with the Tri-C police to see if the baton is permissible under school policy. I suspect it's not, but the website didn't have that information.
I took a quick look at Cleveland's weapons ordinances. Like many, they're somewhat vague, but it looks like they could be interpreted to make carrying it illegal.
I think your best bet for legal defense would probably be a good pepper spray. Also, don't overlook a cane as discussed in other threads in this section.
I took a quick look at Cleveland's weapons ordinances. Like many, they're somewhat vague, but it looks like they could be interpreted to make carrying it illegal.
I think your best bet for legal defense would probably be a good pepper spray. Also, don't overlook a cane as discussed in other threads in this section.
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