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Can I overnight my handgun to myself?

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  1. glockman19

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    If I am traveling from CA to FL and want my handgun, (I have my FL non-resident CWP), Can I overnight my handgun to myself?

    I believe that I can IF It is overnight UPS or FedEx, and it is addressed to myself. Just no USPS.

    Is this correct?
     
  2. Inebriated

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    I assume you're flying, so why not bring it with you? A buddy of mine said it wasn't that hard at all, as long as you follow the right guidelines set by TSA.
     
  3. oneounceload

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    Why spend the money? Just pack in your bag you check
     
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    I'm not checking in any baggage...Don't want to check in just the handgun(s). I'll likely send myself a Bersa Thunder 380 as If it get's lost/stolen I can deal with it.
     
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    If you do not have a FFL, your options are expensive - more than a checked bag fee which is where I was going with that
     
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    You could. However, I would just put it in a very large box and send it regular UPS.

    FedEx and UPS imsist on overnight shipping because they cannot stop their employees from stealing handgun-sized boxes.

    mbogo
     
  7. NavyLCDR

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    To answer your question... yes, you just take it to FEDEX or UPS addressed to yourself, in care of another person. FEDEX tariff (company policy) says they won't ship to a non-FFL, so you would have to hope the FEDEX counter person does not know that.

    To offer my unsolicited opinion, it would be much easier and cheaper to fly with it in a checked piece of luggage even if the gun was all that was in the checked luggage. AND you could send ammo with the gun that way, whereas with UPS or FEDEX you could not send ammo with the gun.
     
  8. 9mmepiphany

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    The easiest and cheapest way ($0) to travel with a handgun when you are flying is to take it in your checked luggage. The only downside is that you'll to wait for the luggage to be unloaded when you arrive.

    When I've traveled with handguns, I just usually throw them, in a hardsided case, in my checked luggage with the extra mags, hearing protectors and holster/mag carriers
     
  9. PBR Streetgang

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    I purchased a hard Winchester takedown shotgun case for transporting handguns...It's metal, locks and is too big for someone to tuck it under their shirt or hide it....works out well for me.......
     
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    It is also a felony to willingly and knowingly ship a firearm without advising the shipper and without it being sent to an FFL. just check in, avoid getting sent to prison.
     
  11. bikemutt

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    I have to concur that taking it with you may be the best, most cost effective choice.

    I just shipped a handgun to be refinished, what a PITA. UPS grilled me as to whether I could prove the recipient is a FFL until I became sufficiently annoyed and left. A friendly FFL offered to do it but that would involve 4473 and a fee on the return trip. Finally I went to FedEx; the counter lady took my word the recipient is a FFL but wanted to be sure the gun was unloaded, which I was happy to demonstrate. $85 later it's on it's way.

    Never again.
     
  12. NavyLCDR

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    If your "friendly" FFL told you there would be a 4473 and transfer fee for the return of a firearm sent for customization or repair, then either the "friendly" FFL is not very well informed, or they aren't so "friendly" and tried to sucker you for a transfer fee.

    There is no 4473, NICS check, or "transfer" required for an FFL to return a firearm, or replacement back to the original recipient, if that firearm was delivered to the FFL for the purpose of customization or repair. It does not matter if you deliver the firearm to #1 FFL who then sends the gun to #2 FFL for the actual work, no form 4473, NICS check, or "transfer" is required by either FFL.
     
  13. Dr_B

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    Just check it. Get a case that you can lock and get one of the TSA-approved locks. Be sure to tell them you have it when you're checking in.
     
  14. NavyLCDR

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    ^Which violates Federal regulation. The lock on the gun case must be a non-TSA standard lock that only the owner of the gun retains the key/combination to in order to comply with Federal regulations.
     
  15. bikemutt

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    Well, the way it was explained to me, the FFL I would give the gun to for shipping would be required to enter it into his bound book. He would send it to the gunsmith (refinisher), who would return it the FFL. The FFL would then be required to transfer the gun to me (form 4473).

    So, I guess the point being that once it's in his book, the only way for it to exit the book is a transfer.

    Are we wrong about that?
     
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    First, the gunsmith (refinisher) must also have an FFL, otherwise the intermediary FFL (shipping) is violating Federal law by sending the gun to them.

    Second, everything is correct as stated, except that for this particular transfer (return a firearm or a replacement firearm to the original owner which was originally surrendered for the purpose of repair or customization) is exempt from the requirement to do a form 4473. It does not matter that an intermediary FFL is used for shipping. The entire transaction itself is for the sole purpose of customization or repair.

    27 CFR 478.124:
    Real life example: I bought my wife a PT-145 from Wholesale Sports in Burlington Washington as an anniversary present using my military ID card and orders to Washington. The gun needed to be returned to Taurus for repair. My wife took her gun back to Wholesale Sports for them to ship it to Taurus (which they do for free). We asked, Is this going to be a problem to get her gun back because she does not have a Washington state ID card because she is a military spouse? The answer, from Wholesale Sports, a large retail change, was No, because no form 4473 or NICS check is required, and no Washington state pistol transfer form is required either.
     
  17. Darkbob

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    Ok, I'm a little confused. So is it just long guns that you can send to yourself, via Fed Ex?

    I thought that you could send any firearm to yourself that way.
     
  18. natman

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    It's the FedEx part. They don't ship handguns. If you shipped a handgun to yourself UPS it would be OK.
     
  19. NavyLCDR

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    http://fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/index.html

    Their terms of service have changed - it used to be long guns could go by FEDEX ground (if going to an FFL) and only handguns were required to go by overnight... that is no longer the case:

     
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    UPS (at least the depot I was at) also says they will not ship a handgun unless one of the parties is FFL.
     
  21. NavyLCDR

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    I'll be danged... they changed their tariff as well. So now there is no way to ship a handgun to yourself in another state - unless you use something other than USPS, UPS or FEDEX.... at least you can still mail a rifle/shotgun via post office, for now.

    http://www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_us.pdf

     
  22. dogtown tom

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    FedEx Ground tariff still allows rifles and shotguns...just read the FedEx Ground Tariff in your link.
     
  23. dogtown tom

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    UPS apprently doesn't know its own tariffs....

    http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html?srch_pos=3&srch_phr=handgun


     
  24. NavyLCDR

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    Glad I was wrong about that one, at least!
     
  25. bikemutt

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    The problem is UPS, FedEx or any shipper has no way of knowing that the shipper, the recipient and the shipment itself are all lawful.

    For example, when I arrived at the UPS counter with my handgun to be shipped to a refinisher, there seemed to be nothing on earth I could furnish the counter person with that would convince him the recipient is a FFL. And maybe rightfully so; honestly I don't know absolutely for sure the refinisher is a FFL, I just assume since they've been providing this service to others for close to as long as I've been on this planet, and managed to stay out of trouble, they are a FFL.

    But lets say I could call the refinisher and have them send me a copy of their gunsmith FFL.

    Now for me, the shipper. How would UPS or FedEx know I'm not a prohibited person? I dunno, I guess I don't look like a terrorist, mostly. Maybe we need form 4474, UPS/FedEx NICS check, just kidding of course.

    And the shipped item, instant X-Ray needed? FedEx really wanted reassurance the revolver wasn't loaded, so I unboxed it and showed her, discreetly of course, no brandishing here.

    Overall an unpleasant and costly experience, one I'll try to avoid in the future.
     
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