CAN: School shooting="Ban handguns from collectors"

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Another data point to attack the "only in America" meme.

PLUS - The mayor is calling for a total handgun ban "to prevent thefts from collectors" even though the details of this shooting are still being sorted out (i.e., where the gun came from) (see second article).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//servlet/story/LAC.20070524.SHOOTING24/TPStory/National/

GUN VIOLENCE: A CITY IN SHOCK

Teen shot dead in Toronto school

Fight outside North York high school spilled over as gunman followed Grade 9 student up to second floor

CAROLINE ALPHONSO and TIMOTHY APPLEBY AND UNNATI GANDHI

With reports from Omar El Akkad Jennifer Lewington and Karen Howlett

May 24, 2007

TORONTO -- Toronto's plague of gun violence, which simmered in recent months through a steady rattle of street shootings, tore into a North York school yesterday, leaving a teenager dead and a city stunned.

Jordan Manners, 15, was fatally shot in a mid-afternoon attack that triggered a massive police hunt for the killer and brought frantic parents streaming to the campus.

The dead boy, whose birthday was last Friday, was described by weeping friends and stunned neighbours as a popular, trustworthy youth who was well-known and liked in his community on Shoreham Court in the Jane Street and Finch Avenue area.

Friends said Jordan had three older sisters but lived with his mother and older brother.

"Everyone knew him," said Elaine Lawrence, 60, as she stood in her doorway on Shoreham Court. "Those guys over there, the people down there, they're all crying for him."

With no arrests or suspects in custody, the gunman was still loose on Toronto streets last night.

The shooting took place at 2:38 p.m. in a second-floor hallway at C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute on Sentinel Road near Finch and Keele Street.

Witnesses said the shooting was preceded by a fight outside the school. There was no official word on what might have provoked the argument but an unconfirmed report suggested fireworks may have been involved.

The gunman then followed Jordan inside the school and shot him.


The Grade 9 student was taken by ambulance to Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre where he succumbed to a single gunshot wound to the chest. The weapon was described only as a handgun.

As news of the shooting spread, police from 31 Division and heavily armed tactical officers flooded the area while anxious parents, including Jordan's mother and one of his sisters, rushed to the school.

From there the two went to the emergency room at Sunnybrook. A report said that as Jordan's mother was entering the hospital a man told her, "He's died, Mom," and she collapsed to the ground.

The brown-brick school has approximately 850 students in Grades 9 through 12 and was locked down and fenced off with yellow police tape shortly after the shooting. Parents waited behind the police tape for any word about their children. Some wept. Others searched the crowd for answers.

The blinds of the school were all drawn. Some students said they had to sit under their desks for a period of time during the lockdown. At one point in the afternoon, a young female was brought out on a stretcher. Police said she was faint.

Students called parents to tell them that they were either huddled in their classroom or in the school library.

Outside the school, parent Pauline Edmond said her son had used his cellphone to call her daughter from inside the building.

"He is terrified. That's why I want him out here," she said as she paced around the front of the school.

Students were allowed to leave, classroom by classroom, at about 6 p.m. They were escorted out of the school by police and led onto TTC buses. They were taken to a nearby middle school and then released.

"Students have a right to a safe school environment," Police Chief Bill Blair told reporters after arriving at the scene at about 5 p.m. "It's shocking that such a crime can take place in our schools."

As Emergency Task Force officers entered the school with tear gas, crowbars and sledgehammers, Chief Blair appealed for calm.

"We want to get those students out of the school and home safely," he said.

"I have police officers in every hallway and every school room. Right now we're scouring the school to make sure there is no risk to the students."

By late last night, no arrests had been made by the homicide squad, which took over the investigation after Jordan died. There was a heavy police presence in the neighbourhood last night.

The high school is named after painter C. W. Jefferys (1869-1951), considered one of the great illustrators of Canadian history. It is located a few blocks west of the Jane-Finch neighbourhood, where residents have long endured violent outbreaks of street crime.

A gang known as Bloods is associated with the area south of Finch, known as down-bottom, and the housing complexes at Firgrove and Driftwood Lane. Crips are associated with Shoreham Court, Driftwood Court and other areas north of Finch. Within those gangs are even smaller organizations, based usually on a common home, such as a housing complex.

Hammad Siddiqui, 17, defended his school and the surrounding neighbourhood.

"It's an alright school," the Grade 12 student said. "If you go inside there's nice people, nice teachers, everything's normal. ... It's a good school."

Hammad said he knew Jordan from a drama class last year. He said the slain student liked basketball and rap music, which he would often sing to himself.

At City Hall, the grim news of the shooting was delivered to a meeting of city council by Mayor David Miller.

"I have met with many so many mothers in this city who have lost their sons to violence," he said.

"It is impossible to console a mother in those circumstances. ... Part of the redoubling of efforts has to be dealing with the guns that are causing these tragedies. Guns are different from anything else, they are designed to kill."

Premier Dalton McGuinty echoed the mayor's dismay.

"On behalf of all Ontarians, I want to express my deepest sympathies to all those affected by this tragedy - the family and friends of the victim, the students, parents and staff," he said.

"I want the entire community at C. W. Jefferys C.I. to know that they are in my thoughts and prayers at this difficult time."

Progressive Conservative Party Leader John Tory called the shooting "unbelievable ... a disgusting act that has no place in our schools. ... Like many people, I grew up in a time where the notion of a school lockdown was a foreign one. Now it seems like they're almost commonplace."

This was the city's 26th homicide of the year - the 13th involving a gun.

The Toronto District School Board, which serves 270,000 students in 558 schools, offered its "deepest condolences" to Jordan's family last night and said counsellors and support staff will be on hand when C. W. Jefferys opens its doors this morning.

And the mayor's response:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070524.SHOOTINGGUNS24/TPStory/National

UN VIOLENCE: A CITY IN SHOCK
'This is up to the people'

JENNIFER LEWINGTON

May 24, 2007

Ottawa must close gun-control loopholes with an outright ban on handguns, even in the hands of collectors, Toronto Mayor David Miller declared yesterday.

Speaking hours after the shocking high-school shooting at C. W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute, Mr. Miller promised to step up federal gun-control lobbying efforts.

"We have got to make it a real issue. It is far too easy for thugs with no conscience to use a gun to create a tragedy like this," he told reporters at Toronto City Hall.

He praised the Harper government for backing legislation to prevent those arrested on gun charges from getting bail.

But he said Ottawa needs to take more action to ban handguns entirely. "If we want to ensure the loopholes in the law are gone, we can. And if we want to come together and try and stop them coming across the border we can. We can choose to. That is the role of the city."

Mr. Miller also called on the Harper government to "get serious with the United States" to block the flow of guns moving north to Toronto.

"We have to say with a strong collective voice that this has to end. It is not acceptable for these U.S. guns to come up here and be used in crimes," he said.

"This is up to the people," he said. "If we want to say no to handguns, we can."
 
Nothing quite like creating a problem - then complaining about it. The firearms registry up here is a perfect shopping list for criminals (and has been proven to be cracked many times), so after creating the problem with the registry, now they use the new "problem" to say it's time to ban 'em altogether....

Anyone else see a pattern? :(
 
My Canadian friends tell me guns have been banned there, oh that's only for law abiding citizens.After watching this battle to disarm the people, and seeing how well it worked in Nazi Germany you would think that the framers of the US Constitution got it right with the second amendment, and that anyone with half a brain would understand that.
 
Not banned, just heavily regulated.

Now if they banished violent criminals, naked, north of the 60th parallel... we'd have fewer of these problems, and plenty of happy fat bears!
 
Toronto is always like this.. knee jerk reaction... in BC they found a student with a gun on a field trip, did the Mayor of Vancouver rant and rave about banning guns... NOPE...

Ontario/Toronto is just plain weird to us out on the West... You know the place where you can actually go 5-10 minutes down the road and you're in Bear & Cougar country...
 
Mayor David Miller is a socialist rectal orifice who has been advocating the total ban of firearms in TO for years. He'll use any excuse.
The Jane/Finch area is largely Public Housing full of Trudeau's imported criminals from Third World prisons.
This kid that got shot was either involved with drugs or witnessed something.
"...My Canadian friends tell me guns have been banned there..." They're confused to say the least. Some firearms have been banned, but not all.
 
Unfortunately,

Canadian gun owners, especially in that paradise called southern Ontario seem incapable of standing up and saying that handguns are legitimate tools to use to protect life. The press will make them look bad.

Canada actually has a may issue concealed carry law, but like most it is set up to deny as many as possible. Here is the regulation about who "needs" a pistol to protect themselves:

PART 1 CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH AN INDIVIDUAL NEEDS RESTRICTED FIREARMS OR PROHIBITED HANDGUNS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECTION 20 OF THE ACT
PROTECTION OF LIFE
2. For the purpose of section 20 of the Act, the circumstances in which an individual needs restricted firearms or prohibited handguns to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals are where
(a) the life of that individual, or other individuals, is in imminent danger from one or more other individuals;
(b) police protection is not sufficient in the circumstances; and
(c) the possession of a restricted firearm or prohibited handgun can reasonably be justified for protecting the individual or other individuals from death or grievous bodily harm.

As has happened throughout the States over the past 20+ years, must issue will come - if - enough people push for it.
 
There must be a huge cattle industry up there; that's about the biggest pile of Bull S... I've seen lately.
 
It greatly angers me when people say things like "wow, you'd think this madness could only happen in America". They know nothing about our society and it's amazingly rude to disrespect what you're ignorant of like that. You don't see me telling anyone that their society is inferior; I'll only tell them what I think could be improved and how the US has gone about it if they ask me.
 
Having lived in Toronto, I can say first hand that most Torontonians live in a bubble, they think violence doesn't happen there. I once told one of my friends, "you know, there's a couple shootings a night in Toronto" and she said, "no, there can't be, we're in Canada, we don't have shootings, this isn't America" and I said, "do you watch the news? there's a couple shootings a night". Honestly, Canada has less crime than the US, if only because of smaller population, but violent crime exists and happens regularly. The difference is we report EVERYTHING on the news in the US and Americans get alarmed. Canadian socialists tend to sit back and wait for the government to step in and do something.
 
Bloods? Crips? Hammad Siddiqui?


Wow real Canadian names there!!! Canada had better start checking who the let into their country. They let the terrorists into their country and allowed them on planes or into the USA at their border stations that made 9/11.

My friends in Canada are repulsed by this. They call Toronto, “Sodom”, and hope the French Montreal Canadian province and sympathizers becomes a separate country so that New Brunswick and the Maritime provinces can appeal to join the US.


Kind of seems worse than the southern border to me.

We should at minimum close both borders as we are at war. Infiltration keeps on, FIRST STRIKE against both.

This will not happen until many more Americans are killed on American soil and the PC, liberal, media better than anyone else(never let the truth get in the way of a story) morals are extinguished.
 
**** Acanadia. Their liberalized feel good half assed excuse for a country is in essence the 51st state. they have no real identity of their own without us.
 
I would be the first to stand up and cheer if Toronto left Canada. They are this Liberal, Socialist Island that apparently thinks they are the mouth piece for all Canadians. Trust me, I would be happy to keep Quebec and the French, just get rid of Toronto, the center of the universe.....well at least in their minds.
 
Let’s get back to the root of the problem…
The northern border seems to be a flood of guns into Canada.
New York crime is because of VA gun dealers.
Mayor Bloomerberg of NY sends people to purchase guns illegally in VA. (Illegally; Breaking the law…)
Where are the bad guns made or who imports them?

.

Anyone see a pattern here…?
 
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