telewinz,
First:
When expert, sworn statements are available and independant investigations are properly conducted then the results should be acceptable to any reasonable person. Both investigations I cited still stand as valid by MOST (unbiased) responsible people, that they were sponsored by the US Government seems to offend you.
So a government agency's in-house after-action report that attempts to minimize the various Bozo-like mistakes they made is an "unbiased source" just because it's from the government?
Riiiiight. Wanna buy a bridge? Cheap, unused, you just gotta drive to Brooklyn and pick it up.
Second:
Reading a book(s) on the matter may or may not be of value, it depends on the author's bias (if any).
...whereas watching a sanitized HistocoveryLearning Channel docudrama makes one an expert? Considering that you still don't even know what the two cases were about, the charges, nor the outcomes of the trials, that's a pretty interesting statement.
Third:
The original post asked to be educated about Ruby Ridge and WACO, in fairness I assumed he wished for the non-fiction account not the "urban legend" or the "fairy tale" version. If you are unhappy with the facts and the results of the official/responsible investigation thats not my fault. If you cannot cite any official/unbiased reports to support your positions that is not my fault either.
You're right, it's not your fault. What
is your fault, however, is that you come in here with your woefully uninformed views of "Koresh was a baby-raping, machinegun-making, meth-selling wierdo, and Weaver was a nazi. Or something. I know this because I saw it in two thirty minute TV shows, plus something on the net from the government told me so." and paint anyone who is
more informed on the topic as some kind of weirdo. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "Lalalalalalala! I can't
hear you!"
Since you're all up on the "facts" riddle me this:
1) Why did the FBI defend its decision to replace the ATF's
ad hoc negotiator (who had developed a rapport with Koresh and secured the release of four children) with a Colonel Blimp-style idiot who proceded to screw up by the numbers?
2) Why did the FBI los... er, "misplace" several crucial pieces of evidence, like the Davidian compound's front door?
3) Why did a court of law give Randy Weaver over three million of your tax dollars in a wrongful death settlement?
4) Why did a DA issue a murder warrant for Horiuchi?
5) Why did a PhD from Ft. Dietrich assure Reno, Sessions, Hubbell and others at a Justice Dept. briefing on 4/14 that CS could not cause a fire or harm small children when the amount of Ferret grenades used would cause a serious concentration of the stuff which is banned from use in warfare by the US and is known to cause death in large indoor concentrations?
6) Why were the Feebs so intent on overriding Reno's 4/15 proposal to wait 'til the water supply in Mt. Carmel ran out?
7) How many machineguns were found in the wreckage?
8) How much meth was found in the wreckage?
9) Why did nobody tell Reno that the Bradleys would not be delivering CS through pipes in a CO2 suspension (like the CEV's did) but by firing Ferret rounds, which contain CS suspended in methylene chloride? (Seen the MSDS on methylene chloride, BTW?) Combustion of methylene chloride (such as by the open heaters in the compound) creates hydrogen chloride and phosgene. You know what phosgene is, right? Interesting way to "save the kiddies", no?