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Can you help me identify this rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by stephanie532, Jan 20, 2008.

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  1. stephanie532

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    I think my dad used it to hunt deer. The serial no is 54855. There are no other markings on it.
     
  2. wilson

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    It would help if you had a pic.:confused:
     
  3. yenchisks

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    What kind of action doe s it have?
     
  4. stephanie532

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    Bolt action.
     
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    Pics.....
     
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    This is the hardest "guess this gun" thread EVER. I'm going to say savage model 10.
     
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    I saw a rifle fitting that description once. Might have been the same kind. Different serial number though.















    :neener:

    -Sam
     
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    I gotta say, this is one of the funniest posts I've seen.
     
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    Hey, I see pictures now!!! :)
     
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    Hi!

    Sorry, my wife says my previous reply was "rude." I was just having a chuckle.

    Some questions to help narrow things down: Answer all you can.

    1) Where is the safety and how does it work?
    2) Can you see an "external" extractor claw that rides along beside the bolt?
    3) How does the bolt release work? (Meaning what do you do to be able to remove the bolt from the rifle completely?)
    4) What is the stock made of and how is it shaped? Is there a "hump" along the top of the stock where your cheek rests? What does the forward end of the fore-arm look like?
    5) What cartridge is it chambered for?
    6) Is there a metal plate on the bottom of the stock just in front of the trigger guard, or is it all wood from the trigger guard forward? (This would be the floorplate of the magazine.) If there is a plate, is it hinged so you can open it? If so, how do you release it?
    7) Is there, by chance, a removable magazine box?
    8) Look at the bolt handle. Is it straight? Is it bent downwards? Is it bent down and back a bit? Does it have a ball-shaped end? Does the end have flat facets on it or is it a sphere, or a flattened blade shape, or???
    9) What are the sights like?

    And anything else you can think of.

    Few of these items will tell what rifle it is without further info, and most of them could have been changed over the years, but it is a start.

    Keep the info coming!

    -Sam

    EDIT: Ok, pics now, COOL! Still, answer the questions that aren't obvious from the pics, or use the question list as suggestions for taking more detailed pics.
     
  13. Spiggy

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    It's an arisaka action

    I have no clue, don't listen to me :/ I popped my back earlier today

    -Could be T30 Meiji or T1 Carcano contract -I'll need pictures of the bolt
     
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    Can you manage close up photos of the action from the bolt side? The bolt end, perhaps cocking piece, looks unusual and will help identification. The dangley bit in front of the trigger is unusual and a closeup of that would be helpful, too. It may be helpful, too, to take the barreled action out of the stock and inspect the hidden areas for markings.

    Bear with us, please. We are a more or less polite bunch, and willing to help, but your initial post does not offer much to go on.

    Edit: Wups! a lot more photos and info appeared while I typed.
     
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    1) Where is the safety and how does it work
    i don't see a safety anywhere on it
    2) Can you see an "external" extractor claw that rides along beside the bolt?
    next question
    3) How does the bolt release work? (Meaning what do you do to be able to remove the bolt from the rifle completely?)
    next question
    4) What is the stock made of and how is it shaped? Is there a "hump" along the top of the stock where your cheek rests? What does the forward end of the fore-arm look like?
    5) What cartridge is it chambered for? don't know
    6) Is there a metal plate on the bottom of the stock just in front of the trigger guard, or is it all wood from the trigger guard forward? (This would be the floorplate of the magazine.) If there is a plate, is it hinged so you can open it? If so, how do you release it?
    7) Is there, by chance, a removable magazine box? no, a spring clip
    8) Look at the bolt handle. Is it straight? Is it bent downwards? Is it bent down and back a bit? Does it have a ball-shaped end? Does the end have flat facets on it or is it a sphere, or a flattened blade shape, or???
    bends downward and a ball shaped end
    9) What are the sights like?
    none, it has a scope

    that's all i know...laugh away
     
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    It started life as a Jap Arisaka and then got sporterized probably sometime in the 60's or 70's
    30.06 was a common rechambering at that time which is very close to the original 7.7
    I believe 30.06 will chamber and fire unsafely in an original so be sure before you shoot it
    Look under the front of the scope and see if there is a Mum or a ground down spot
    That will tell you when it came to America

    There will be some other symbols stamped around the receiver that will tell you where it was made

    It does not appear to be a last ditch

    Check here for references to the markings
    http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
     
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    lift the bolt handle, find the box thing on the left side of the gun and pull on the box, it's actually a lever

    Then pull the bolt out of the gun

    One clear picture of the bolt, and your gun is IDed correctly
     
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    1) Where is the safety and how does it work

    That big bulbous knob on the behind the bolt
    You get someone to help you pull it back a rotate it clockwise
    To disengage you just thumb it back counterclockwise


    Here's the original configuration
    http://www.tatranci.sk/zbrane/arisaka/arisaka99.jpg
     
  22. takhtakaal

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    Stephanie, so long as that bolt is out of the rifle, it won't be doing anything. If you're concerned, just wrap it up in a cloth hankie and put it on a shelf for now.
     
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    takhtakaal,
    i was never "concerned", thank you. I just wanted to id it, since it belonged to my deceased father. On the flip side, if you ever need medical advice send a msg, and I'll be happy to give you similar advice.
    Thanks again
     
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    it's a T-99, the tang was cut for the replacement stock

    :p tricky!
     
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    Steph, the information you have recieved so far have been good. The gun is a World War 2 period Japanese military rifle that has been sporterized. This was pretty common back in the 60's and 70's.

    As far as what caliber it is, do you have any of the ammunition that was used in this gun, even any empty shells? You would have to be absolutely certain that they were used only in this exact gun to get any useful information from the shells. It may be in the original Japanese caliber, or it may have been rechambered or rebarreled to another caliber. With no ammo that positively was used in this gun, and no markings, a chamber cast can be done to determine the proper chambering and ammunition to use.

    It's nice to have something from family, even if you never use it. It means something to have it.
     
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