Canada backs Sikh dagger rights

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Not really "gun rights", but a tiny step in the right direction regarding religious freedom and issues pitting the illusion of public safety vs personal security. Keep in mind that many 100's of years ago the dagger was the equivalent of a pistol.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4770744.stm


Canadian Sikhs should be allowed to wear small daggers central to their faith when they go to school, the country's Supreme Court has ruled.
In an 8-0 judgement, the court reversed the ruling of a Montreal school board, which banned Gurbaj Singh Multani from wearing his dagger, known as a kirpan.

The kirpan is deemed sacred by Sikhs as a symbol of power and truth.

School authorities banned the kirpan in 2001 after an objection by a parent concerned about pupil security.

Announcing the judgement, the Supreme Court said that a total ban on kirpans violated the country's Charter of Rights.

The charter guarantees total religious freedom within Canada.

"Religious tolerance is a very important value of Canadian society," Justice Louise Charron wrote in the judgement.

"If some students consider it unfair that Gurbaj Singh may wear his kirpan to school, it is incumbent on the schools to discharge their obligation to instil in their students this value that is... at the very foundation of our democracy."

Quebec Federation of Parents' Committees
The government of Quebec had backed the Montreal school board, which imposed the ban.

Parents campaigning for tighter restrictions on weapons in school were dismayed by the ruling.

"My first reaction as a parent is a feeling of insecurity," Claude Bouchard of the Quebec Federation of Parents' Committees, told Reuters news agency.

My insert - douchebag

"As a parent, is the life and safety of a child more important than religious freedom? I think so."

The ruling did allow some restrictions to be imposed on kirpans worn in public, including limiting their length and keeping them sheathed and worn underneath clothes.

Nevertheless, Gurbaj Singh Multani, who was 12 when he was suspended and then removed from his school, welcomed the judgement.

"Everybody stood for their rights. I got it. I'm happy," he said outside the court.

Orthodox Sikhs have been required to carry kirpans since the 17th century, and insist it is not a weapon.

About 250,000 Sikhs live in Canada, with 10% considered orthodox.
 
The kirpan is sacred because it IS a weapon. The Sikh founder was trying to find a solution to Muslim-Hindu religious fighting... and he didn't think the solution involved disarming Sikhs.

BTW, if there are really any parents who are afraid that Sikh children will be a bad influence in public schools, that's pretty funny.
 
if they are allowed to carry it for religious reason any other child should be allowed to carry a weapon for reasons their parents deem appropriate as well.
 
Excellent. Now if only religion wasn't given priority over any other personal reason.

IOW, "I have to carry my Endura Wave to school because I'm atheist" seems like just as good a reason to me.
 
Excellent. Now if only religion wasn't given priority over any other personal reason.

See, it's because religious groups never aggress against others with jihads or crusades. If people with your kind of views were allowed to carry weapons, you'd soon see militant agnostics suicide-bombing the Chosen Atheists, etc.
 
"7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

We ought to already have it. No need for a charade, right to life liberty and security is already guaranteed, period. A mugger doesn' thave the right, under principles of fundamental justice, to deprive you. Ergo you ought to have the righ to defend yourself. And if you have the right, but are denied the tools which grant you the ability, that is clearly contrary to the spirit of the law.
 
Solo : Now all we need to do is found a religion.

How about "THROG (TheHighRoad.Org) The god of Ballistic Retrobution"

We can worship at alters placed in any Gun shop. During THROG day, we all exchange Firearm gifts, and do a Ammo hunt instead of easter eggs. we will have our own 10 commandments:

I. You shall honour your rifle and your pistol

II. You shall carry your firearm at all times.

III. Thou shalt not covet they neighbors guns.

etc... Whattya think all? -Eric
 
I thought the carrrying of personal firearms was a religious duty for followers of the church of KYFO, already?!

Or was that MYOB? I can never remember which one is which.

--Herself
 
By this standard, Christians in Canada should be able to carry swords with them, anywhere. (Luke 22:35-38)

But of course, I believe Christ wanted his disciples to be able to defend themselves. Therefore, I should be allowed to carry any firearm I choose in Canada. Sweet.
 
Longeyes, you are so right.

Telomerase: I'd bet Sikh kids are as safe with their knives as THR members are with their guns.

Lupinus: You are quite correct, but let's see a Canadian court say that. ;)

I just like the fact that in that report, we have a parent saying safety is more important than freedom. That opinion being of course the gateway to tyranny. Seriously, the Sikhs have a right to be armed as much as anyone else. The problem is that no one else will be able to carry knives into the school. Some Christian, Jewish, or Muslim kid theoretically should be able to have a knife as well, but the court isn't going to do so.

In Canada, the government acknowledges you're right to pratice the religion of your choice as long as you don't harm others in that practice.

But it doesn't recognize your right to defend yourself. Sad.
 
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