Canadian 7.92???

[JHansenAK47]

I was at a local store today and found 8mm ammo on sale for 12.99 for 44 rds. Naturally I was intrigued so I asked what country it came from because I don't care for 1950s yugo. I was told it was Canadian and that it wasn't corrosive. So naturally I had to get a better look and it is berdan primed reloadable brass. The bottom is marked 7.92 MM 44 and the box is unmarked. The rounds came loose stacked neatly and tightly in a brown box with the brown tape.
Has anyone heard of Canadian 7.92 ammo? I sure haven't. For the price I know it sure isn't new ammo and it doesn't show any signs of being reloaded ammo.
I haven't shot any yet so I don't know if it is underpower either.

 

[Oleg Volk]

UK and Canada used 7.92mm tank machine gun, Besa.

 

[brian923]

let me know how it shoots. i am always looking for good, cheap amo to shoot in my turk mauser. even if it dont shoot worth crap the first time, its brass, and reloadable. and with the cheapest ammo(that i can find)being remington cor-lokt, at 25$ per20, ill take anything and then reload. thanks, brian

 

[rcmodel]

and it is berdan primed reloadable brass

If it's Berdan primed, it is not reloadable.
Or at least not in the normal sinse of the word.


rcmodel

 

[JHansenAK47]

If it's Berdan primed, it is not reloadable.
Or at least not in the normal sinse of the word.

I don't reload, yet. I am saving brass as I shoot it though. These look exactly like 7.62 nato surplus. Except the dimensions are for 7.92 which they are clearly marked as. The primers aren't retained by that little punch mark. These looked pressed in.

UK and Canada used 7.92mm tank machine gun, Besa.

True but these weren't linked.

 

[rcmodel]

Crimped primers has nothing to do with it.

Berdan primed cases have two off-center flash holes and can't be deprimed with a reloading die.

Boxer primed cases have a centrally located flash hole and a decapping pin can knock the old primer out through it.

The only way to tell is look inside an empty case and see if it is Berdan or Boxer primed.


rcmodel

 

[Jim K]

Canadian factories made 8mm Mauser (7.92x57) both for the British and Canadian tank guns during WWII and for the Chinese during and after the war. The Besa ammo was packed in boxes to be belted later.

I recently shot up a bunch of Canadian ammo marked DA 49 7.9, non-corrosive, Berdan primed. Nice looking stuff, except for one tiny detail - everyone was a hangfire or misfire. I just wish the folks who insist there is no such thing as a hangfire had been there.

Jim

 

[JHansenAK47]

Crimped primers has nothing to do with it.

Usually you don't reload crimped primers.
Besides I haven't even been able to shoot any yet. So I can't check the flash holes. I will have to look when I do and post it. They told me it was berdan. Either way I've never heard of Canadian 8mm.

 

[JHansenAK47]

I just wish the folks who insist there is no such thing as a hangfire had been there.

I've shot 1950s yugo and I must say I have never had so many hangfires in one day.

 

[slzy]

boy. i googled reloading berdan. the process is truly for the enthusiastic enthusiast.

good read though,and may be the only way to shoot some firearms.

 

[JHansenAK47]

I recently shot up a bunch of Canadian ammo marked DA 49 7.9, non-corrosive, Berdan primed. Nice looking stuff, except for one tiny detail - everyone was a hangfire or misfire. I just wish the folks who insist there is no such thing as a hangfire had been there.

Mines a different lot so I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[rcmodel]

Usually you don't reload crimped primers.

Who says that?

I've been reloading crimped primer military cases for about 45 years now.

All you have too do is deprime them and ream or swage the crimp out of the pocket the first time.
From then on, it's just like any other brass.


rcmodel

 

[dstorm1911]

JHansen, EVERY reloader will end up reloading crimped primers, Especially for 7.62x51 you simply swage out the crimp so it'll be easier to seat the new primer.... You seem to have your reloading information reversed as its BERDAN primed ammo that doesn't get reloaded except for by a very few hardcore reloaders or in the case of calibers that have no option..... if you can even get berdan primers (very difficult to buy as nobody stocks them) they will cost you around $7.00 per hundred and have alot of assorted metric sizes, next in order to remove the old primer you will have to fill the case with water and use a tightly fitted dowle you hit the dowle with a hammer the hydraulic force pushes out the primer and sprays water all over you........

As far as the Canadian 7.92 ammo Don at Omega weapons had 30,000 rnds of it we linked up for use in the MG34s EVERY single round was a hang fire and split cases were very common at the neck with brand new un-issued barrels in the Semi converted MG-34s it was so frustrating we ended up delinking the stuff and it was sold to an associate of his who is licensed to sell ammo commercially the guy unloaded all of it at Gunshows at $2.50 per 20 rnds last year...... The 50s Yugo stuff is MUCH more reliable outa the 50,000 rnds we have burned up of it at various machine gun shoots as well as in a large number of Milsurp bolt guns and semi converted MG 34s and 42s and 5 1919a4s there have been zero problems other than the occasional split case neck We've got Pallets of the Yugo stuff from 1953, 1954, 1955 none of it has had any problems........ We took a loss on the Canadian stuff just to get rid of it as its hard to sell a $3,000 gun if every round is either a hard primer that does nothing even with the hard hitting MG34 fireing pin or a CLICK..................................................................BANG the only ammo that performed worse was the Pakistani .303 he bought in bulk but its a tossup there as to which was trully the worst


12.99 for 44 rnds is not a cheap deal for surplus especially when you can get truly reloadable BOXER primed commercial 8 mm mauser like Wolf gold, S&B etc...

 

[LeibstandarteAdH]

I believe that the canadian 7.92 mauser stuff should be boxer primed, not berdan primed.

And also, if it was said to be "berdan primed reloadable" im sure the person was mistaken, and most likely meant to say boxer.

All berdan primed is theoretically reloadable, as i have reladed steel cased berdan primed stuff with the water and hammer approach.

Crimping the primers, weather boxer or berdan, has nothing to do with it being reloadable or not, its just harder and more of a pain for each.

 

[dstorm1911]

LeibstandarteAdH, all of the Canadian stuff we had was in fact Berdan primed

 

[LeibstandarteAdH]

Oh, i had not actually seen any first hand, just read where the Besa ammo was souposedly corrosive boxer primed stuff.

I can second that while the 50's Yugo M49 may have Hard primers, i have never had any such problems as "hangfires" with it. The hakim will fail to pop the primer on about one or two out of 100 of them on the first strike, the mausers seem to have a little more trouble with it, but it has all gone off on the second strike, and has over-all been qute good stuff.

Now the 1990's Yugo stuff with the creamy dark purple primer sealant has been Exelent.

 

[Mauserguy]

About ten years ago I bought several boxes of Canadian ammo that meets your general description. I put a couple of boxes into storage and shot one box several times. I have reloaded the cases several times, and have had no problems. I say, go for it.
Mauserguy

 

[fatelk]

I have several hundred rounds of 8mm "7.92 MM 44 (or 42)" ammo I've had for many years. It is definitely Boxer primed and reloadable. What I have shot has been fine, and have reloaded the brass, the only problem is that the primers are heavily crimped and sometimes hard to get out.

The stuff I have I bought loose and didn't know where it came from. I also assumed that it was corrosive (due to the age) and treated it as such. I read somewhere later that it is Canadian, and IIRC, was actually made much later than WWII as some sort of clandestine supply or something.

Yes, Canadian, full-power military loading (150gr. I think), boxer primed, reloadable, don't know about non-corrosive. I also didn't have any hang-fires or misfires so far with what I have. Good shooting ammo.

 

[dstorm1911]

LeibstandarteAdH, the issue with most mausers having problems is generally put off as "hard primers" when in fact its a new milsurp owner who has failed to actually tear down the bolt and thoroughly clean the hard dried cosmo out from the inside of the bolt body, it retards the fireing pin spring preventing it from striking hard enough, I forgot to do this with a Yugo 24 (not a 24/47) that was in like new original all matching (even had the original bayo in unissued condition) serial number 0033 it had never been fired I found it while inspecting a lot that was up for auction in Croatia and exported it back to myself (talk bout handpick huh LOL) well when I got back to the states I had alot of guns waiting for me from various points around Europe but was really excited to get to go shoot the Yugo 24, dismantled and thoroughly cleaned the rifle but....... somehow missed the bolt well......... Czech ammo and nothing but Click, click, BOOM everything I put in it except commercial stuff acted the same then I remembered I Hadn't tore the bolt down but had rather just soaked it etc.... pulled it down right there...... re-assembled and everything was perfect nomore clicks etc..... anyone can overlook properly cleaning out the inside of the bolt some just try to flush it out..... I usually have to use dental picks to get some of the dried cosmo outa some bolts....