Can't choose an AR upper.

Which upper should be at the top of my list?

  • Del-Ton

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • PSA

    Votes: 17 45.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 40.5%

  • Total voters
    37
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I hate to post another "choose my gun" thread but I'm at an impass. I know what I want; a flat top, lightweight 16" mid length carbine with fixed front sight post. I've been looking at Del-Ton and PSA price range sort of stuff.

The rifle probably won't see that many rounds, just general use and shooting for fun. If I was I'd being looking at BCM.

I'd like to keep the price down. I just don't know if there's anything else out there that I'm over looking. I'd like to see what everyone thinks about Del-Ton vs PSA or if I should consider anything else.
 
Nothing wrong with any of your choices. You might also look at Stag. With a low round count like your are talking there is no need to spend a lot of money.
Don't get caught-up in the chrome lining BS either. Non chrome lined usually display better accuracy.
 
Buy the one you want and worry about price after. Most AR's can be sold used for not much less than new. If you decide it wasn't worth the cost just get rid of it and buy something cheaper.
 
Did you read the OPs post? He wants to keep the PRICE down. He doesn't want the top of the line upper.
PSA always gets good feed back on their products and customer service.

I answered his question. I cannot answer about the cheapest of the cheap cause I wouldn't spend 10 bucks on either. A good product is never knowing the customer service even exists.
 
PSA makes good quality stuff but there is a small store in California called Rifle Gear that makes their uppers which are pretty much re-stamped Daniels Defense parts. They make stuff that is legal in California and other states as well so you don't have to worry about the totalitarian gun laws in that state. I ordered mine from there and since it was over $500 they gave me free shipping to Arizona. Give them a look, riflegear.com
 
You also might try Model 1 Sales out of Whitewright, TX. There phone # is 903-546-2087. There prices are really good and there quality is next to none, very good customer service also.
 
Folks, don't kick on PSA. It's good stuff. My kick-butt uppers from PSA were only $300 each. I'd put them up against anything out there. Chrome lined, hammer forged, etc., Hard to beat.

I was holding out on BCM parts, but bought the PSA because it was on sale. Glad I took a chance and bought the PSA uppers.
 
Folks, don't kick on PSA. It's good stuff. My kick-butt uppers from PSA were only $300 each. I'd put them up against anything out there. Chrome lined, hammer forged, etc., Hard to beat.

I was holding out on BCM parts, but bought the PSA because it was on sale. Glad I took a chance and bought the PSA uppers.

Glad you're happy.

How many rounds so far?
 
Riflegear uppers are sourced from Daniel Defense.

Lowers are Mega or J. D. Machine Tech.

You can purchase a barreled upper from Riflegear with either a DD, CHF, CL barrel or a FN Made CL, 249 barrel.

Very good people to deal with. IMO, they really try hard to make it right for you. If you need to, you can even speak with one of the gunsmiths that work there (there are only two)
 
going off what you said you might want to try Model 1 sales ( I've heard bad but ran one for a few years no problems ) blackthorn is another brand right in there and ive seen some cheap dont know brand in cheaper than dirt and in sportsman guide for around 90 bucks for a barrel

but if you do change your mind and want one of the best there is a small company called AFM in Utah and they make TOP of the line products great to deal with too
 
sorry forgot to say Ive seen the bushmasters and Dpms, the whole gun go for 600 bucks brand new in the box hell bushmaster even had a bushnell red dot its just their basic m4 light weight but still has forward assist and dust cover. thats cheaper then most uppers
 
sorry forgot to say Ive seen the bushmasters and Dpms, the whole gun go for 600 bucks brand new in the box hell bushmaster even had a bushnell red dot its just their basic m4 light weight but still has forward assist and dust cover. thats cheaper then most uppers

I would not pay money for a DPMS or a Bushmaster. Or a bushnell red dot.

But, with few exceptions (.22lr trainers basically) my guns are potentially for defensive use so I don't cheap out, even if it means waiting.
 
I answered his question. I cannot answer about the cheapest of the cheap cause I wouldn't spend 10 bucks on either. A good product is never knowing the customer service even exists.

Ahhh, snobbARy. Gotta love it.

We're not all operators, we don't all need $2,500 ARs. And you don't have to spend that kind of money to get a good, reliable weapon. I've played with most of them, and while I appreciate the refinement of the high end guns, a lot of it is unnecessary, especially for a guy trying to get into the AR world on a budget. There are plenty of good guns out there to be bought or built in the sub-$1k range. And for the record, I'll put my Armalites up against all those high-end rifles any time. I lost count of the rounds that've have been through it a long time ago, but I know I decided to stop cleaning it about 2,700 rounds ago. It just gets shot with a liberal dose of CLP before a range trip and wiped down externally afterward to keep from getting that black, nasty oil on anything it touches. Save for a total of 3 grossly out of spec rounds that wouldn't chamber in anything and a cheap 40 round gunshow mag that wouldn't feed reliably in any gun we tested it in, the Armalite carbine has never missed a beat.

Here are two recent builds that have, thus far, run 100% with PMC bronze, my mixed-brass & pull-down powder reloads, Wolf and Tula. (I only use Pmags these days, and have not had a mag issue to date)

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Both are built on DSA lowers (purchased at LGS for $120/ea)

All prices include tax and/or shipping I paid, rounded up to nearest 5. Optics are stuff I had laying about, so I'm not counting them, either.

The rifle has:

*R-Guns complete M4 upper ($490)
*R-Guns stainless LPK ($60)
*UTG Pro stock and buffer kit ($70)
*UTG Pro Extended quad rail ($65)
*Tapco Intrafuse sling mount end plate ($10)
*UTG carry handle ($30)
*Cheap multi-position grip ($8, until she decides what she really wants)

Everything but the carry handle and quad rail was purchased locally.

Total: $853

(And we're not counting the Insight M3, since it doesn't belong to her rifle)

The pistol is composed of:

*WMD NiBX partially assembled upper ($165)
*Daniel Defense M16 BCG ($175)
*DSA charging handle ($15)
*DPMS barrel nut & Delta Ring ($20)
*Unknown make gas tube ($20)
*Troy low profile gas block ($40)
*Bull Dog 7.5" 1 in 9 chromoly barrel ($110)
*Noveske KX3 "flaming pig" flash supressor ($135)
*Magpul MOE handguard ($30)
*Unknown make front handguard retainer (free)
*DSA Mil-spec buffer kit ($35) (I milled it down to a pistol tube)
*PSA MOE LPK ($55)

Total: $920

(Plus $200 for the NFA stamp and another $90 for the Magpul ACS-L stock going on it when the stamp comes home)

Everything but the buffer tube kit, charging handle and LPK was bought locally.

One could do these builds for a little less ordering everything, especially if you have a real nice FFL who does $10 transfers or something.

Anywho, point remains, I assembled both of these guns for under $1k each, and neither has had one single hiccup (unless you count the rifle's short cut buffer tube debacle I documented in another thread, which I'll elaborate on if anyone cares). They just got hosed with CLP, a quick feed test of about 10 rounds, and then put to work.

So, build your Del-Ton or PSA rifle and enjoy it. I will say confidently that I don't believe you'll have trouble with uppers from any of these respectable companies putting out US-made parts.

PS-

You might have a look at DSA, too. They don't have a pencil barrel middy, but you can get uppers from them less BCG and charging handle for as little as $240. All US-made, good quality from what I've seen. I have an 11" on order from them.
 
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We're not all operators, we don't all need $2,500 ARs.

I stopped reading here. Nobody who thinks you need to spend $2,500 on an AR to get something that isn't cheap obviously doesn't know anything.


To anybody reading:

Some suggestions for higher quality rifles than you are likely to get with DPMS or Bushmaster:

Colt 6920 for $995
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920.aspx

Or perhaps a PSA for $700
http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...o-state-armory/psa-16-m4-premium-carbine.html

Or a Smith and Wesson, several choices, many sources

Or a Spikes

All, and many others, would be preferable to a DPMS, or a Bushmaster, or something similar.
 
Ahhh, snobbARy. Gotta love it.

We're not all operators, we don't all need $2,500 ARs.

Not at all.. Plenty of good names out there that are available at a relatively affordable costs. I just dont think DelTon, Spikes, etc. and the others cashing in on the "craze" are worth it IMO.
Besides we are not talking 10s of thousands of dollars that separate the "top of the Line" to the bottom rung, rather the equivalent to a few cases of ammo.
 
Not at all.. Plenty of good names out there that are available at a relatively affordable costs. I just dont think DelTon, Spikes, etc. and the others cashing in on the "craze" are worth it IMO.
Besides we are not talking 10s of thousands of dollars that separate the "top of the Line" to the bottom rung, rather the equivalent to a few cases of ammo.

You can step up from most of these rifles to the top tier for less than the cost of 1 case of brass case ammo.

And, as you say, that would only be a total expense, for the rifle, equal to about 3 cases of ammo.
 
Plenty of good names out there that are available at a relatively affordable costs.

Agreed

I just dont think DelTon, Spikes, etc. and the others cashing in on the "craze" are worth it IMO.

The thing to keep in mind is that these companies offer lots of options, and some of those cost-cutting options are performance-cutting as well. With higher end guns, those cost-cutting measures just disappear.

Can you honestly tell me you think a DTI upper with chrome lined tube and a good M-16 BCG wouldn't run just fine? Because all those I've seen have.

Besides we are not talking 10s of thousands of dollars that separate the "top of the Line" to the bottom rung, rather the equivalent to a few cases of ammo.

A few (as in 3 or more) is a grand plus these days. Not "tens of thousands", but not exactly chump change, either.

AND......these days, unless you're willing to wait a good while, sometimes you gotta take what you can get. I'd rather have had a barrel other than that $100 Bull Dog, and I had plenty of C-notes in my pocket for something else, but that was the only one I could find (and was advised by no less than 2 shops that if I found a 7.5", any 7.5", I should grab it), so I went with it. And truth be told, it shoots just fine.
 
Can you honestly tell me you think a DTI upper with chrome lined tube and a good M-16 BCG wouldn't run just fine? Because all those I've seen have.

A few (as in 3 or more) is a grand plus these days. Not "tens of thousands", but not exactly chump change, either.

Ive seem some run and some that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Now if those were Jr putting his first lego set together I dont know..

Since this thread is about uppers..

A quick look at DT's website and they want 445.00 for a CL 16"
Noveske wants 825.00 for Reese Basic 16"

The upper is the most important part of the equation IMO. Id rather not have cost cutting anything when it comes to ramps, throats, chambers, bolts, carriers, barrels. or have to purchase Accuwedge's. but its just me.
 
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