Can't Get Into Safe-Action
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Tamara
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I did my best shooting with them when I shot them exclusively. They feel unlike most any other trigger on the market, and when I'd spend any time away, I'd have to re-acclimate to the unusual feel.
Thankfully, they make lots and lots of different kinds of pistols, so most everybody can find one that they like.
Thankfully, they make lots and lots of different kinds of pistols, so most everybody can find one that they like.
SouthpawShootr
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Well, if you don't like it, you don't like it. Move on to something you like. It's not like there's any shortage of good designs out there. The toughness of the Glock finish is a good selling point, but you could always get stainless.
That said, have you tried sprucing the action up? A Glock armorer friend of mine is stuck on titanium strikers. He swears that they clean up the mushiness of the factory trigger. Lots of people swear by the 3.5 connectors, although I wouldn't want anything on a CCW piece that was against factory recommendations.
That said, have you tried sprucing the action up? A Glock armorer friend of mine is stuck on titanium strikers. He swears that they clean up the mushiness of the factory trigger. Lots of people swear by the 3.5 connectors, although I wouldn't want anything on a CCW piece that was against factory recommendations.
Cold Steel
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I've shot a lot with the Glock,but never was a big fan of the factory trigger. The Glock is tough,but the factory trigger's suck. I would love to see a single/double option put out by Glock.
Big Mike
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I've owned and shot three different Glocks over 10 years and despite 1000's of rounds I never shot them as good as my other pistols(exception: G26 was accurate). Probably good enough for self-defense but never good enough for me. You are not alone. Mike
Southern Raider
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When combined with the lighter of the New York Trigger springs, it produces an approx. 5lb pull that is near constant through the range of motion. A nice feel and distinctly different from the stock Glock trigger.
The only Glock I ever owned, I sold just over two years ago. I had it for three years, and put just over 1700 rounds of 9 m/m through it. I had difficulty adjusting to it's trigger action, and thinking back, it's still hard to nail down just one (1) solid reason. I can say I never liked it.
Another aspect (for me) is that’s it's hard enough to properly intro (new shooter) friends and family to the whole SA/DA game, and then have them actually achieve a good level of proficiency. I find absolutely no reason or niche for Glock's safe-action system there either. Should they ever become curious about Glocks (like I once did) they'll just have to get their own.
Now days, the memory of that abstract trigger system is still strong. So by adding in my other negative factors like their plastic sights and that "off" grip angle, I no longer consider Glocks worth the effort. IMO, there are simply FAR better choices out there.....but at least I tried.
They do have a tough finish though.
Another aspect (for me) is that’s it's hard enough to properly intro (new shooter) friends and family to the whole SA/DA game, and then have them actually achieve a good level of proficiency. I find absolutely no reason or niche for Glock's safe-action system there either. Should they ever become curious about Glocks (like I once did) they'll just have to get their own.
Now days, the memory of that abstract trigger system is still strong. So by adding in my other negative factors like their plastic sights and that "off" grip angle, I no longer consider Glocks worth the effort. IMO, there are simply FAR better choices out there.....but at least I tried.
They do have a tough finish though.
Chris Rhines
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There are lots of smiths out there doing very nice trigger work on Glocks.
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The Glock trigger never bothered my much, but I've never bought one because they don't point right to me, always seem to be barrel up. Guess I'm spoiled by the 1911 angle...
But they are good guns, no doubt!
Er - lots of other great guns have little characterizations that need getting used to - grip safeties, odd sight pictures, balance characteristics, etc. Get used to 'em or buy something that fits ya - there're plenty of choices.
But they are good guns, no doubt!
Er - lots of other great guns have little characterizations that need getting used to - grip safeties, odd sight pictures, balance characteristics, etc. Get used to 'em or buy something that fits ya - there're plenty of choices.
Black Majik
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I agree, the Glock triggers are the most unusal triggers around for a pistol. But I'm gonna give a Glock a try and see if I can "get used to it" or make it better to having it acceptable to my standards. I'm spoiled by the 1911 triggers, but if I can make it so that the mushiness of the Glock trigger goes away then I'll be plenty happy.
I've researched on this, and there are a few cheap ways to clean up a Glock trigger.
- 3.5# connector. I'm gonna try a Scherer 3.5# connector since I heard it makes a more crisp trigger pull than stock. We'll see...
- .25 cent polish job. Since the Glock pistols is one of the easiest to disassemble, I heard simply polishing lightly of the internals where the metal contacts each other gives a smoother pull.
Then theres changing of the springs and such. We'll see how it turns out. If I dont like the gun I can always sell it. But there is a huge cult following behind it. I'm interested to see what all the hype is about.
I've researched on this, and there are a few cheap ways to clean up a Glock trigger.
- 3.5# connector. I'm gonna try a Scherer 3.5# connector since I heard it makes a more crisp trigger pull than stock. We'll see...
- .25 cent polish job. Since the Glock pistols is one of the easiest to disassemble, I heard simply polishing lightly of the internals where the metal contacts each other gives a smoother pull.
Then theres changing of the springs and such. We'll see how it turns out. If I dont like the gun I can always sell it. But there is a huge cult following behind it. I'm interested to see what all the hype is about.
Shot them off and on, eventually got a G17 to wring out and see if I could learn to love it. Installed Novaks and put about 1500 rounds through it. Never could shoot it decently. Someone once described the Glock trigger as "like snapping a green twig" and I think it was pretty accurate.
One day I took out a stock shooter grade, very early (1912 mfg) 1911 with the original knife edge/round notch rear front sights, 9 pound pull, and 6" holdoff and shot that old relic far better than the Glock. Had a heck of a good time, and that day the fate of the "plastic fantastic" was sealed.
Needless to say, if Pike Bishop's gun shot better for me, then a nicely tuned 1911 shoots rings around Gaston's Greatest.
Traded the G17 straight across for two nice Security Sixes and never looked back. No more for me.
One day I took out a stock shooter grade, very early (1912 mfg) 1911 with the original knife edge/round notch rear front sights, 9 pound pull, and 6" holdoff and shot that old relic far better than the Glock. Had a heck of a good time, and that day the fate of the "plastic fantastic" was sealed.
Needless to say, if Pike Bishop's gun shot better for me, then a nicely tuned 1911 shoots rings around Gaston's Greatest.
Traded the G17 straight across for two nice Security Sixes and never looked back. No more for me.
bad_dad_brad
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Personally I like the Glock standard out of the box trigger. I find it a bit like a slightly stiff rifle trigger with some take up.
But I never got used to a SA auto like a M1911. Previous handgun experience sans Glock were DA revolvers. So I find the Glock trigger most pleasing and accurate. I guess it is all what you get used to.
But I never got used to a SA auto like a M1911. Previous handgun experience sans Glock were DA revolvers. So I find the Glock trigger most pleasing and accurate. I guess it is all what you get used to.
mmike87
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I was never able to get into the safe action trigger, either. There are so many options out there it just isn't worth it to me trying to learn the Glock trigger system.
It works great for some people, but not for me.
It works great for some people, but not for me.
Well, If you can't get used to a Glock trigger you are not going to be comfortable with the trigger on a Springfield XD or the new Savage Accu-Trigger either.
I feel one can learn to tolerate them with use but agree they aren't the best system for serious target use.
Then again, the Glock was never designed as a target pistol,,,,
Those who express hatred for Glock pistols have, usually, never owned Glock pistols.
I feel one can learn to tolerate them with use but agree they aren't the best system for serious target use.
Then again, the Glock was never designed as a target pistol,,,,
Those who express hatred for Glock pistols have, usually, never owned Glock pistols.
mmike87
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Onmilo - I have an XD and my first gun was almost a Glock 19. I spent a lot of time dry firing the Glock 19 before I went ahead and got a SIG P228 instead.
I think the XD trigger is quite different in feel from the Glock trigger, as the XD trigger is a SA trigger whereas the Glock is "1/2 DAO" setup, isn't it? It was my understanding that a portion of the Glock trigger pull continued to cock the gun fully before firing. An XD is always fully cocked and has a different feel, so I am not sure it's a valid direct comparison.
My understanding may be wrong - I am neither a Glock expert nor a Glock basher. I think they are fine, quality firearms.
I think the XD trigger is quite different in feel from the Glock trigger, as the XD trigger is a SA trigger whereas the Glock is "1/2 DAO" setup, isn't it? It was my understanding that a portion of the Glock trigger pull continued to cock the gun fully before firing. An XD is always fully cocked and has a different feel, so I am not sure it's a valid direct comparison.
My understanding may be wrong - I am neither a Glock expert nor a Glock basher. I think they are fine, quality firearms.
Hmmm, Glock's trigger is one of it's advantages, same pull shot to shot. So much better than the long heavy DA/SA initial pull and mile of slack in SA.
The grip angle reduces recoil and muzzle flip for fast followup shots. I've never found holding a gun and declaring it points well for me relates to it shooting well for me.
The grip angle reduces recoil and muzzle flip for fast followup shots. I've never found holding a gun and declaring it points well for me relates to it shooting well for me.
dairycreek
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Dear Tecolote
Me too! I have labored over it and just cannot get into the Glock Safe Action "thing". Like others I have moved on :banghead: FWIW
Me too! I have labored over it and just cannot get into the Glock Safe Action "thing". Like others I have moved on :banghead: FWIW
Erich
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Can't really blame you.
Aesthetically, I loathe the feel of a sproingy Glock trigger (love the "Safe-Action" set-up itself!). But, as Tamara said, I find I shoot them better when I concentrate on them.
Recently, I've made an effort to do just that (since a couple of different Glocks really seem to fit my recent carry needs). Doing so has improved my speed and my groups are down to a size I hadn't previously thought Glocks capable of producing.
Heaven only knows what this is going to do to me the next time I try to shoot a 1911 or SIG-Sauer, though.
Aesthetically, I loathe the feel of a sproingy Glock trigger (love the "Safe-Action" set-up itself!). But, as Tamara said, I find I shoot them better when I concentrate on them.
Recently, I've made an effort to do just that (since a couple of different Glocks really seem to fit my recent carry needs). Doing so has improved my speed and my groups are down to a size I hadn't previously thought Glocks capable of producing.
Heaven only knows what this is going to do to me the next time I try to shoot a 1911 or SIG-Sauer, though.
If any of you guys are in Central Ohio and would like to try a Glock trigger that will make you smile with disbelief, give me a call.
Many guns have less than perfect factory triggers, including the Glock, BHP, some 1911s, USP and Berettas. Just as many of us buy upgraded sights and other accessories for our firearms, triggers can easily be upgraded.
Many guns have less than perfect factory triggers, including the Glock, BHP, some 1911s, USP and Berettas. Just as many of us buy upgraded sights and other accessories for our firearms, triggers can easily be upgraded.
Texshooter
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Yes, feel exactly like you. I additionally sworn off the teutonic plastic. I do not shoot it well, I do not like the grip angle, they are easy to clean (whoopee), and they are light (yawn). But they are not fun to shoot for me.
Either any DA/SA or S/A .45 for me.
Either any DA/SA or S/A .45 for me.
russlate
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I had an early 17L ( longslide ). Dry firing made that capgun type "sproiiing". Take that back. The early pot metal cap guns of my youth didn't have the "sproiiing" to them, it was the later plastic capguns that did.
( But then I still think guns should be made from blue steel and walnut, not souless steel and rubber grips that are an abomination. Ah well, time for my medication! )
As we say:
People like you
Are the reason
People like me
Need medication!
( But then I still think guns should be made from blue steel and walnut, not souless steel and rubber grips that are an abomination. Ah well, time for my medication! )
As we say:
People like you
Are the reason
People like me
Need medication!
Tamara
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Curare,
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd shot some Glocks with triggers that might make you smile with disbelief. They're still very proprietary-feeling, and are completely different feeling to the finger compared to a conventional SA or DA trigger. As I said, this is no problem if one undertakes to spend the time to accustom one's self to them. However, if one has a great deal of trigger time invested in more conventional trigger setups, or bounces back and forth between guns a lot, it's quite noticeable. (Also, the trigger stacks; an unavoidable consequence of the design. )
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd shot some Glocks with triggers that might make you smile with disbelief. They're still very proprietary-feeling, and are completely different feeling to the finger compared to a conventional SA or DA trigger. As I said, this is no problem if one undertakes to spend the time to accustom one's self to them. However, if one has a great deal of trigger time invested in more conventional trigger setups, or bounces back and forth between guns a lot, it's quite noticeable. (Also, the trigger stacks; an unavoidable consequence of the design.
)I shoot them just fine. I work hard on DA revolvers, and find the Glock to be quite easy to shoot.
Most of the guys I shoot with that don't like the Glocks can't shoot DA revolvers or DAO autos worth a hoot either. For you guys that don't like the Glocks would that accurately describe your preferences and experiences also?
Most of the guys I shoot with that don't like the Glocks can't shoot DA revolvers or DAO autos worth a hoot either. For you guys that don't like the Glocks would that accurately describe your preferences and experiences also?
I grew up on the 1911 and DA .357s......... I couldn't shoot Glocks for crap when I tried to shoot it like a 1911. When I treated it like a mag-fed DA revolver, I shot it far better.
10,000 rounds through nearly every Glock model out there since, I do just fine with them, and I also do just fine with 1911s.
It's not the gun's fault, it's the shooter's mental block.
10,000 rounds through nearly every Glock model out there since, I do just fine with them, and I also do just fine with 1911s.
It's not the gun's fault, it's the shooter's mental block.
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