Carbine for Bug-Out kit

[1stmarine]

@Balrog
Sorry to divert there. Derailing your thread was not my intention but I know some people are thinking about more serious situations after recent events.
I still think the keltec sub-2000 is more a backpacking / ranch gun and not conceived nor made for any critical duty.
If one wants small and high count I believe the 5.7 is much better than any rim fire and still a very small envelop.

 

[jmorris]

Derailing your thread was not my intention but I know some people are thinking about more serious situations after recent events.

I have to admit I have always been a little curious where people intend to go with a "bugout" bag. I guess I have always been more of a "bug-in" kind of guy and just wonder where they intend to go?

I mean if they go running for the hills, some really good binoculars might be a good choice so they don't get shot trespassing on someone's property that is also a "bug-in" guy, with more supplies than anyone could fit in and bag or pack.

Two days isn't a very long time and not too hard to survive without much stuff. In my younger days we did it more than a few times with little more than the clothes on our backs, a couple cans of soup, maybe a bag of chips and some beer.

 

[BSA1]

I also struggle with the whole concept of "bugging-out."

Bugging out to me means the need to move out of danger within a few hours whereas evacuations take place over days such as with the recent hurricanes.

The O.P. is unclear exactly what he is bugging-out from. He says his kit will be placed in his vehicle so size is a issue but weight isn't. But then in the same post says they may be walking with backpack. Then in another is walking somewhere with 6 children of various ages and then in Post 49 he mentions leaving due to bad weather.

Without straying to far away from guns the O.P. needs to do a realistic assessment of the dangers in his community/area.

For example we live in the country with a major highway and railroad within a mile away. The dangers we face are hazardous chemicals for a truck accident or train derailment. A truck accident will most likely be cleaned up within 24 hours. The railroad is a short-line with the train using having less than 10 cars. It regularly transports oil tank cars from a refinery and grain cars. I rarely see boxcars and no high-pressured tank cars so the tank cars are most likely full of refined oil. The danger of railroad car derailment will be the tank cars catching fire and concerns about the airborne contamination. Depending on the wind direction this could be longer bug-out but I think longer than 24 hours is unlikely. Maybe 48 hours max while the fire burns itself out. For us the bug-out will be checking into a motel 15- 20 miles away and eating in restaurants. I don't need a AR for this type of situation.

So a bug-out will be due to chemical spill. We will only have a few minutes to grab important stuff such as our meds and a few clothes, load the dogs into the truck and flee the area. My to-go bag is a black nylon zippered handgun case. It has two exterior pockets on one side the holds four loaded double-stack 9mm magazines. On the other side is a single pouch large enough for a 50 round (or 2 25 round) box of ammunition. With four 17 round magazines that gives me 118 rounds in the case. Tossed in a loaded Beretta 92 and I have 135 rounds. My wife's M&P also sits beside the Beretta and it has three loaded 17 round magazines (another 51 rounds) ready to go.

For everything else we are "bugging-in."

In both of the hurricanes there was plenty of time (3 days) in advance of the storm to leave. For most part getting out was a orderly process. One thing I did notice when watching the cars in Florida was how few of them where pulling trailers. Most cars will pull a small trailer. So with a small trailer you can pack a lot of gear which means you should not have to leave your guns and ammunition behind.

One of my kids in Texas just dodged Harvey and I am talking to them about the need for a small trailer and extra gas cans. To keep this post gun related the gun Santa (me) is going to give them a couple of metal USGI surplus ammo cans for them to keep their extra magazines and ammo in along with a emergency radio. The gun Santa will probably throw in some boxes of 9mm ammunition and a extra magazine or two as well. As they have two small children the ammo cans are perfect from curious minds.

 

[taliv]

wandered off the rails. was interesting while it lasted...