Carbine or PC9

[MikeInOr]

History aside, the M1 carbine is gas operated and the PC9 is blowback. The M1 carbine is a much nicer and smoother shooting carbine! On the flip side .30 carbine brass costs me more than 9mm ammo... the PC9 is much cheaprer to shoot.

I love my PC9... but it doesn't hold a candle to my M1 carbine! ...reguardless of the history of the two.

 

[kBob]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the opinions greatly.

Immediately after posting this yester day I went out to the range. As I had never shot the ratty carbine and yes USGI and Inland in the 6 mil range', I took the thing with me. I thought this is so ugly AND A BLUE SKY IMPORT that it must me a piece of crap (my last experience with Blue Sky Korean bring backs was a Garand that was awful).

Two of the three groups I shot at 25 meters with it were one ragged hole and the third was two together and a third barely not breaking the paper between the other two.....in 50 years of M1 carbines I have never had one shoot this well.

Guess I must wait on a PC if I am to have one.

Funny thing was I ran into a couple of other old farts shooting very nice handguns that both said about what you guys did...and both said if I just had to have a 9x19 carbine to pick up a Hi Point and call it macaroni (ok the macaroni part was me). Hopefully I can find one of the old ones as I was amazed that Hi Point could take the ugliest carbine ever made and 'Improve" it by making it uglier.

Meanwhile a local gunsmith claims there are rumors Savage will be unveiling a 9x19mm carbine and that Remlin is actually making noises about reissuing the Camp 9. I know the things you hear in a gunshop may just be noise but hey …..It's January.

Thanks again guys.

The carbine stays. Time to dig out the .30 carbine dies....

-kBob

 

[bannockburn]

Keep the M1 Carbine and save up to get the PC9. I tried the PC9 and thought it was a bit heavy for a 9mm. carbine. Given a choice I would instead look for a Beretta CX4 Storm carbine.

 

[AK103K]

I thought this is so ugly AND A BLUE SKY IMPORT that it must me a piece of crap (my last experience with Blue Sky Korean bring backs was a Garand that was awful).

I have one of them. Unlike most of the others Ive seen, mine looked really good when I bought it. I had looked at it a couple of times in a local shop, hemmed and hawed at it, and I guess the boy got tired of me bitching about the Blue Sky Import stamp on it and he knocked $400 off the price.He wanted $1300 for it, I got it for $900.

First time out, and in the first 100 rounds, the charging handle sheared off the slide.
I figured, here we go, friggin Blue Sky POS! Turned out to be a Korean replacement slide, or at least the characters on it looked Korean. I ordered a replacement GI slide off Numrich, along with a new recoil spring and new bolt parts to rebuild it. Now that I did that, it runs great, and actually been my favorite of the 3 I currently have, and the one I shoot the most.

In the past year and a half, Ive picked up 5 Carbines, 2 Winchesters and 3 Inlands. All were around 75-80% function-wise when I got them, and all needed the bolts rebuilt. I replaced the recoil springs and bolt parts, and bought a bunch of the new, Korean 15 round mags, and they all went right up to 95% plus, and while they still have the occasional stoppage, it might be one every couple of hundred rounds now.

The other thing I noticed with all of them too, was the rear sights were all knocked out of their staking, and loose in the dovetail. I actually had one fall off the first time out with it. Once they were put back where they belonged, and restaked, they zeroed right up and have held it. The only other thing you might have to do, is filing the front sight to get the vertical zero to match the settings on the rear sight. Had to do that with 3 of them. Apparently, that was originally done when they first left the factory, but wasnt always done when they were rebuilt and updated after the war.

Once you get them figured out, they are usually good shooters and fun little guns.

My one and only bitch now is, they all chuck the empty cases in a 360 degree pattern, from at your feet to 15' to 20' away, and finding your brass is a bitch!30 Carbine brass aint cheap either!

Thats the Blue Sky on the right .....


Heres the slide that failed....

 

[Varminterror]

I thought this is so ugly AND A BLUE SKY IMPORT that it must me a piece of crap (my last experience with Blue Sky Korean bring backs was a Garand that was awful).

Not to derail from the thread, but my first Garand was a Blue Sky. I picked it up at an estate sale (my HS/college GF’s G’pa was an auctioneer, so I stumbled onto a lot of great deals back then). It was stripped and organized in a box, I got it for $120, figured the barrel and stock would be worth that, at least, back around 2000AD. Roger had it listed as a complete Blue Sky, first guy who looked in the box hollered - hell, it’s bad enough it’s a Blue Sky, but the numbers don’t even match,” and a bunch of others backed away. Of course, he was the only person bidding - but he didn’t raise me at $120. I took it back to the Smith I was under, a Mauser and Garand Smith, because I had no idea how to identify which parts were missing or damaged. I came back Monday and he’d separated parts into piles, the barrel and most of the action which could be identified were Springfield (not the stock), so it turned out to be a real score. I ended up selling it later for $400, even after shooting the hell out of it trying to figure out Highpower. Thumb-eating monster anyway...

 

[FL-NC]

Any functioning US GI carbine is worth more than a PC9.

 

[sequins]

If you have a sub MOA M1 you have a lifetime keeper. Those are as rare as hens teeth. Never let go of an M1 that's mechanically top grade, a new stock is the easy part.

 

[Nature Boy]

If you have a sub MOA M1 you have a lifetime keeper. Those are as rare as hens teeth

Rare? I didn’t know such a thing existed

 

[sequins]

Rare? I didn’t know such a thing existed

I've seen new manufacture reproductions at $3k that promise it, never an issued real deal with that accuracy.

To the OP thank goodness you shot it and didnt trade!

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

I bought a PC 40 as soon as my local gun store had one in stock. I also own 4 M1 Carbines. With open sights all my M1 carbines are more accurate with open sights than the sights on the PC40. I am going to purchase some type of aftermarket sight, either something like an Aimpoint or a low power scope and see if that makes a difference on the accuracy.

 

[M1key]

I've owned a few carbines. My dad (AF) brought one back from Korea in 1957. Says he won it off a marine in a crap game. It was an Inland if I recall. Had some initials carved into the stock "JLC". They were fun to shoot until they got expensive and I unloaded them. I wouldn't want to own an M1 today, as they weren't all that reliable IME. There are more fun options out there. I owned the original PC9 with a good trigger--didn't like the fact that magazine options were limited so that one went away. I looked hard at the Ruger PCC 9mm but still can't pull the trigger. I would prefer the PSA Gen4 AR9 carbine and like the interchangeability of parts. We will see.

M

 

[kozak6]

Have you checked prices lately?! USGI M1 carbines are worth way more than you'd expect.

If we were talking an even trade for a used Ruger PC carbine, the USGI M1 carbine would either have to be an imcomplete parts gun or something so trashed as to be nonfunctional, and even then it might be a sweetheart deal.

 

[MosinT53Hunter]

Have you checked prices lately?! USGI M1 carbines are worth way more than you'd expect.

If we were talking an even trade for a used Ruger PC carbine, the USGI M1 carbine would either have to be an imcomplete parts gun or something so trashed as to be nonfunctional, and even then it might be a sweetheart deal.

Like mine that I recently got from Gunbroker. USGI Inland for 300 bucks, but there's a catch. Had been roughly converted to 5.7 Johnson with a Winchester Model 77 barrel soldered onto the remaining barrel shank. But I can't complain too much, it has the necessary parts to keep my Universal Gen 1 going.

 

[Blue Brick]

Make everyone mad... And get a Hi Point.

 

[MosinT53Hunter]

Make everyone mad... And get a Hi Point.

Won't make me mad, the Hi Point carbine has been on the market for well over 10 years now.

 

[Blue Brick]

Won't make me mad, the Hi Point carbine has been on the market for well over 10 years now.

I like mine.