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'Cardinal Rambo'

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wannabeagunsmith, Apr 13, 2012.

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  1. wannabeagunsmith

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    I'm tired of seeing the Anti-Media calling firearms a tool for violence:

    Just because the man owns firearms, does not mean he condones violence. I really with they'd make it a felony to post such stories. It's just like saying I misspelled words are caused by pencils.
     
  3. parsimonious_instead

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    A nutcase speeding and weaving down the Sawmill River Parkway is far more likely to kill himself and others, than a Cardinal, or anyone with an arsenal of firearms and ammunition, but his hobby of fast cars would be considered "non-violent."
     
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    Wannabe, That is a very cool story. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Good for the Cardinal for standing up for his rights.

    But as you say, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) does not share his views:

    http://www.uscatholic.org/news/2011/01/gun-control-church-firmly-quietly-opposes-firearms-civilians
     
  6. Vern Humphrey

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    From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
    Clearly the writer has no knowledge of the teachings of the Catholic Church.
     
  7. TurtlePhish

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    I'm glad to see public figures standing up for the 2A. I really hope to see more of this.
     
  8. Liberty1776

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    when I was a kid in the 50's, our parish priest would hang his deer in the tree by the rectory, which was between the school and the church. Never warped any of us... (benefit of growing up in a small farming community of 325 people...)
     
  9. wannabeagunsmith

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    Sure, no problem :) Yeah, the Church condones self-defense something that the liberal side of it does not want to accept.

    cool about your deer-hunting pastor :)
     
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    Didn't Jesus tell His disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords if they didn't have any? And doesn't the story of Sodom & Gomorrah advocate armed resistance to evil?

    Just sayin'...
     
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    "rich collection of rifles and handguns"


    Wha-a-at? ! They didn't call it an "arsenal?"
     
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    excellent, thank you.
     
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    They even used the correct term for a place guns are stored, "armory," rather than a place where they are made, "arsenal."
     
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    @Vern Humphrey-

    Excellent information!
    I also have researched this very information.
    Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Yes, but they only managed to come up with two between the lot of them.

    The entire purpose of having the swords was so that they could conspicuously NOT be used.

    He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
     
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    Very good. Now we just need to find a way to get him to redirect the papacy as a whole. Uphill fight ? Mebbe. Worthwhile, definitely.

    All groups will have members of different stripes. This group is no exception. Glad to see that rational thought is as pervasive as.........

    Thanks for the link !
     
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    Well, not exactly -- because one of them was used, by Peter. And Jesus had to know that would happen.
     
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    ... and Jesus tells him to slow his roll.

    So Jesus said to Peter, "Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?"


    Anyway, Luke 22:36 isn't about self defense.
     
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    Then what is Luke 22,36 about?

    Jesus tells them one who has a money bag should take it with him -- surely He meant it to be used as a money bag.

    He tells them one who has a sack should take it with him -- surely He meant it to be used as a sack.

    He tells them one who has sandals should take them -- surely He meant them to be used as sandals.

    And the Apostles took him literally -- they showed him two swords.
     
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    That's interesting. Leave it to the media though to muddy things up.
     
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    It's about submission to gods will and prophetic fulfillment.

    They buy swords so that they can choose NOT to use them. That is why Jesus says that two swords was enough.
     
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    Interesting -- but that's not what it says.

    I repeat:
    What nuance do you find in the Gospel that tells us He meant the instruction to procure swords any differently from the other items?
     
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    They did as instructed and got the weapons.
    Only two, presumably all they could afford.

    When one of those swords was actually USED:

    "Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?"

    ...and then the big J heals the wound given by the sword blow.

    In Matthew, Simon Peter gets further scolding about the use of force, even in the defense of others.


    Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword
    Matthew 26:52




    So they obviously weren't intended for defense of Jesus, and two swords would be woefully inadequate for the individual defense of a dozen men.
    It's obviously a symbolic gesture, Jesus illustrating his peaceful nature even though he has armed men under his command.
     
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    Guys, come on, keep it on topic. Let's not get this locked.
     
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    Why are you guys arguing about swords? This thread is about a Cardinal with a passion for guns.
     
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