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  1. Deanimator

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    I really don't have a problem with that.

    You know those friendly, outgoing people who get along with everybody? I'm not one of them.

    I'm polite but not friendly. I keep to myself and my small circle of friends and can't criticize anyone else for doing likewise.

    I've called the police when I saw somebody crawling into a window here, and when somebody was trying to "social engineer" his way into the building. But do I go out of my way to socialize with the other tenants? No. Most people don't interest me. I stick to the ones who do.
     
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  2. JeffG

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    If I am out of bed, and dressed, I am armed.
     
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  3. bikemutt

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    I always have one at least nearby. I know, that may not be good enough if things get hot. Generally I have an Airweight J-frame on me in a pocket holster. I have a chained up quick-access safe in the car with something a bit heavier.

    I do make an exception when I'm required to be present at places where I feel "trapped", say a movie theater, there, I'm more ready than usual.
     
  4. azrocks

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    Lucky and blessed I have no doubt, but you did choose the location, so it wasn't just fate that landed you there. We moved here to be close to my wife's family - people who still value community and neighborly relations - but like us they're finding themselves increasingly alone in that sentiment. We're in kind of an upscale area, meaning we paid a lot for a pittance of land that apparently commands good money because it's close to downtown. I'd say a good 20% of the homes in the neighborhood now are rented out - often short-term for events - which means our only alternative to non-neighborly neighbors is out-of-town partiers who spend their entire time here disturbing the peace because... it's not their neighborhood.

    How I long for the day our family obligations free us from this cesspool and I can get back to the country. Can you send me a post-card so I can remember what it looks like?

    Oh - and to stay on topic - I carry all the time now not because I fear for my life, but mainly to see the look on the faces of CA transplants who wet themselves over OC :D
     
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  5. .308 Norma

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    Indeed, and it hasn't always been roses. If a person wants to move to this part of Idaho, they should plan on bringing a job with them. It's been like that as long as we've lived here (since I got out of the service in 1972). But that's the "Catch 22" about it. That is, if there were more jobs, more people would live here, and then, it wouldn't be as good of a place to live. On the other hand, because jobs are scarce, my wife and I were under constant stress worrying about if we were going to be able to support our 2 daughters as they grew up.
    All that's over now that we're old and grey. Our daughters are grown, we're no longer in debt, and we're both retired. I could say, "I'd do it all again," but that wouldn't be exactly true, because as they say, "Hindsight is 20/20." I mean sure, I can look back on it now and see that we got by just fine, and we still live in the place we want to live. But there were years on end we worried about having to pull up roots, tuck our tails between our legs, and go somewhere else to find work.

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I wouldn't mind seeing some of that myself sometime.:D
     
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  6. GunnyUSMC

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    I have a gun on me more often then underwear.
    I'm a LEO so I carry one 12 hours a day, 4 days a week. Now when I'm off, if I leave the house I carry. There is always one close by in the house (loaded).
    Now for my job, I deal with the guns my department picks up and any cartridge cases from shootings. Let me you, I stay very busy.
    The news tells you very little about the crime that goes on in your area. It's not good for selling commercial time. People like stories about puppies more.
    My daughter was worried about some story in the news a while back . I told her if she really knew about all the crime that went on, she would not want to leave home. I then told her to just carry one of the guns that I gave her.
    Oh! I have no problem with those that open carry, but when I'm off duty I never open carry. I don't want the bad guys to know I carry or be target #1 when things go bad.
    Everyone has seen a movie where someone robs a bank. The bad guys always take out the old lady with the cane first, Right?
     
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  7. hdwhit

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    Take care with that.

    I don't know Michigan Law, but in the states I am familiar with that have such "protections" the law does not stop the family from filing a civil action, it merely grants you - as the shooter - immunity once you prove your case.

    You may be immune from civil judgment, but the determination that you are immune has to be made by a court and to appear in front of a court to establish your "immunity" requires hiring an attorney and the additional costs associated with preparing for trial. Can you afford $30,000 or $50,000 to go to this trial? Do you have insurance that specifically covers this?

    Read your state statutes in detail. I think you will find you are much less "protected" than you think you are.
     
  8. JR24

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    Sadly even rural living is less safe than it used to be. We recently had a string od daytime armed home invasions just a few miles from my home.

    When the kids get on meth, they don't care that your neighborhood is supposed to be "safe".

    I won't risk my family by NOT being armed essencially all the time.
     
  9. stonebuster

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    I never carry in my home, but always have a loaded gun within reach at night. When I carry outside the house depends on where I plan on going. I'm also an old school guy who likes to know his neighbors and watch out for each other if we see something going on, but I'm in the minority here now. You don't have to hang out with your neighbors, but it's nice if there's somebody next door that will keep an eye on your place when you're not home.
     
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  10. FL-NC

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    I don't carry in the house. Don't need to, there's a gun in every room. Why? Because in the event of whatever, I don't know what room I'll be in. Plus its hard to carry in the house when I'm lounging around in my boxers or sweats. Both of my vehicles have guns in them, which are in addition to my CCW piece. I carry when I'm working outside, but its mostly because of the trash who abandon dogs in the area which become feral. Outside the home (in town) I compare it to seat belts or a motorcycle helmet. I use these items because I've never had a planned wreck. In fact, if I KNEW a wreck was going to happen, I would just stay home, right?
     
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  11. OC-Trainer

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    Great, if you know what you are doing.

     
  12. Fine Figure of a Man

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    It worked in that incident. I will keep carrying my gun.
     
  13. OC-Trainer

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    Okay, great. Still doesn't change the outcome of that incident.
     
  14. GunnyUSMC

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    I've been sprayed with pepper spray by another officer while fighting with a suspect. It hurt, but I stayed in the fight to the end. Oh! Have you ever tried to fight with a large naked man covered in pepper spray. It's not as fun as it sounds.o_O
     
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    I do not always carry. Perhaps I should , but I don't. There is one situation , however , that tops my "must carry" list - ALWAYS in church.
     
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    I'm also old and handicapped, and I go to the VA Dr.s at least every week. Don't get caught with any kind of weapon on the property!
     
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    wasn't that on an episode of cops about 15yrs ago? Black guy running around naked and they sprayed him and he broke a fence or something.
     
  18. Glock Doctor

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    This has turned out to be (in my opinion) a very strange thread with some very strange answers! For example: We live in a 'good neighborhood ' too; but that didn't prevent my next-door neighbor from being ambushed and shot in the chest, five times! (I think it was a drug deal that went bad; or, maybe, there was a woman involved? I don't know; I don't care; but the event occurred at around 2:00 o'clock in the morning, and was much too close to my own home for comfort! The investigating authorities have, also, never apprehended the shooter; but they did come to the house to reassure us that it was some sort of 'personal dispute'; and we didn't need to worry about any kind of anonymous, late night, neighborhood 'thrill killer'.)

    Nor did our 'great neighborhood' stop some enormous, filthy dirty, (I assume?) 'street vagrant ' from walking very quietly and very quickly into our home! He stopped a moment to look at my very attractive wife. Then he saw me, and realized that I was both helpless and on crutches. Next he began to move 'like a bullet' straight at me until — at the very last moment — our two (superlatively well-trained) Pit Bulldogs woke up and proceeded to completely change the guy's mind about whatever he had planned for me! Where were my guns that morning? They were all upstairs in the master bedroom. (Great place for them, right!)

    Years later, one evening, my wife asked me to empty our overflowing kitchen garbage container. So, at around 9:30 PM, I grabbed the garbage bag and began walking out of the house to go to the farm dumpster which was located about 100 yards from our front door. Just before I walked out the door, and almost as an afterthought, I picked up my EDC pistol and tucked the paddle holster into my waistband. If I hadn't I wouldn't be typing this right now because two local meth dealers were also at the dumpster that night; and, when I announced my presence and asked them what they were doing, they attacked me! From literally, 'out of a very quiet night ', at my home, and on my own property they attacked me!

    I'm an older man who, perhaps for reasons known only to God, continues to be, unobtrusively, very fast and very accurate with a handgun. If I hadn't taken my EDC pistol with me, that night, on what was supposed to be nothing more than a domestic 'garbage run', I honestly believe that those two fellows would have hurt me very badly! Physically, I was no match for either one of them; and, just before they attacked, they had correctly sized up my inferior physical condition. Until the bigger of the two men began to reach for the Glock he was carrying behind his belt buckle (What an idiotic way to carry!) neither one of them realized that they were, so to speak, 'in over their heads'; but, without a pistol of my own, there's not the slightest doubt in my mind that they would have worked some sort of atrocious evil against me!

    Is the above three incidents enough for ya! (They were certainly enough for me!) Still there's more: One afternoon I was sitting alone, and all by myself, in the isolated parking lot of a local state park. A white van suddenly pulled in; and, oddly, with the entire large lot to park anywhere in, the van's driver parked right next to me. This was when I noticed that the driver was a middle-aged male who seemed to be, both, very upset and, perhaps, even enraged about something. Couldn't have been me! I don't gamble, drink, or fool around with women; so, whatever he was upset about couldn't have had anything to do with me, personally — Right? No, wrong!

    For reasons I will never understand, all of a sudden like, I realized that I had become the focus of this man's mystifying personal rage. Why? Perhaps for no other reason than I was there; and I was available for him to vent his rage against. (I don't know?) Anyway, he glared at me for a few minutes, and until I began to constantly watch him, back.

    Suddenly he opened the driver's door, and walked around the back of the van where he stopped to glare at me some more. As he reached inside the van's side cargo door, I remember thinking to myself, 'What's he got in there?' when, all of a sudden, I saw the butt of a gunstock in his hand. Why me? Why me! I didn't know? I'll never know; but he had to be stopped; so I stopped him. I do remember that he appeared to be every bit as surprised as he was furiously angry when he realized that I was armed, and not the least bit nonplussed by his weird personal behavior!

    The point is that nobody ever really knows when one of these events is about to occur. You have to be ready all of the time in order to be prepared for that one uncommon event that might very easily end up by suddenly (and, perhaps, inexplicably) costing you your life. At least in my own experience: These dire life-threatening emergencies will, quite literally, come at you 'from out of the blue'; and, more likely than not, you won't be expecting anything bad to happen until AFTER your attacker is, all of a sudden, right there — looking you in the face!

    As for what I think of post #13 above? That long 'laundry list' of dire consequences and legal problems incumbent to a successful incident of self-defense, are all things that only a living survivor can experience. Life isn't perfect; and justice isn't always fair. My own thinking on this subject is,

    AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT I'M 'RIGHT WITH GOD ', MY ACTIONS ARE IN LINE WITH BIBLICAL TEACHING, AND I HAVE NOTHING TO FEEL EITHER PERSONALLY ASHAMED OF, OR MORALLY GUILTY ABOUT THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO STAND TO ANSWER FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT I HAVE DONE; AND I WILL ENDURE WHATEVER LIFE AND/OR TODAY'S, TOO OFTEN PERVERSE, LEGAL SYSTEM DECIDES TO THROW AT ME.

    There are physical cowards; and there are moral, and intellectual cowards, too. An honorable, a 'righteous' man, should always strive to hold onto his god-given moral fortitude! (After all, this is exactly how soldiers are taught to defend their countries — Yes!) It's your life, a gift from God; and either you will respect and appreciate it, or not.

    So, show some moral fiber, let's see that intellectual courage, and go ahead and hang the laundry list of troubles you might get into. Remember: Life isn't always fair; and men aren't always just; but, still, this is what we're, all, supposed to be. So set the right example and 'let the cards fall ' where they will. (If God won't condemn you for whatever it is that you might have done, then, you're going to be 'home free' anyway!)

    My own best advice on this topic? Don't disrespect, by either word or deed, the precious gift of life that God has given you! 'For what doth The Lord Thy God require of thee except to do what is right, to cherish mercy and justice, and to walk humbly with thy God? '* All of the rest is 'fluff and folderol '; none of which will allow a man to 'stand in the judgment' or save a man's soul.

    In this regard and, especially, in a split-second CQB pistol gunfight where TIME is of the extreme essence, you have to prepare yourself to take action well in advance of the event, itself: Your conscience has to be correctly trained; your physical skills need to be precise and well developed; your emotional responses must be very well disciplined; and you truly need to be able to advantage yourself with the useful virtues of PRIOR KNOWLEDGE AND ADVANCED PREPARATION in exactly the same way that each and every one of today's world governments seeks to do in their daily management of both people and social structures.

    Any personal behavior that is less than this is to be, in a very real sense, intellectually naïve and physically ill-prepared for how: life, circumstance, and daily living (and/or risk-taking) occur in the real world.

    * Micah 6:8
     
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  19. Deanimator

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    People have fallen from airplanes without parachutes and lived.

    Give me a parachute.
     
  20. ohihunter2014

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    I have an honest question for you gents and will give some real life experience i had with an encounter. When i turned 21 I couldn't wait to get a handgun and carry it cause I thought it was soooo cool. I did for a little while but then found it to be a pain and as I grew a little older I said to myself do i really want to go through what was explained above with being sued, arrested, etc. Well about 5yrs ago I carried a firearm for work and upon leaving work my partner who was also my best friend said ride with me 1-1.5hrs away to take his nephew and his nephews girlfriend home (the girl was going to visit her dad for the weekend and my buddy got screwed into taking them to her dads) so not wanting to leave a firearm in my car i left it concealed on my hip. Upon pulling into the most run down shady mobile home park i have ever seen the 16yo girls dad is sitting in the yard half dressed drinking and tells the kids to get out of the car, calling his daughter a whore, and telling my buddies nephew to get out of the car. Both kids exit the car and the girl is told get in the house and the nephew isn't allowed to stay but the dad grabs the nephew trying to scare him and that's when it turned bad. Dad says you see that and points to an object sitting on a white plastic table for the grill and it was a handgun. He says to the kid i know you were f...ing my daughter and keep playing games and points at the gun. My buddy yells at the nephew to come back to the car in which the dad says no. I speak up thinking my size and deep voice would get joe dirt to lighten up but he picks up the dang handgun and says you got a problem! Split second decision to shoot or not shoot. 2 of us pinned in a car, 16yo kid standing next to this guy, he's drunk. I was able to talk my way out of it without 1 shot being fired. Had he fired shots we would have been screwed being on a one way street facing the dead end confined to a car. To this day had i pulled my gun i know for a fact he would have fired either at us or the kid. I had it drawn in the car where he couldn't see it and told him to drop the firearm and still being in uniformed helped.

    After we did about 80mph getting out of there i called 911 and 4 cruisers showed up. I advised them what happened and was asked why i didn't shoot the guy. My response was i want to go home tonight and not sit in jail. Cops went to the house and joe dirt opened the door with the gun and was tazed and arrested from what i was told later on. My buddies family hated me for along time and blamed me for causing issues between the girl, nephew, and her family with his family. After hearing this for about a year i finally told them at a cookout that had i not reacted the way i did this guy could have possibly shot the nephew, myself or my buddy and as far as him getting arrested be glad i had enough training and self restraint to not shoot the guy who just pulled a handgun on me for no reason. just think it could be a lot worse. To this day I'm glad my mind told me unless his gun goes off i have no reason to defend myself or the other innocent people i was with. Sure glad i made the right choice.

    Now-One thing a friend asked me years ago. why do you carry a gun? what are you afraid of? This is why i let my license expire. The only reason i got it back was when I'm bow hunting to carry a handgun for feral dogs and pigs you must have a ccw. I really didn't know why i was so afraid to carry a gun on me every time i left the house. I seldom carry anymore. I just don't put myself in dangerous situations anymore.

    So honestly guys please think about what was posted above with the guy being sued, arrested, etc. Im all for CCW but think before you break leather. what's everyone so afraid of? especially carrying while in the house. If someone knocks on my door i grad the pistol and lay it on the stand by the door. No need to pack while watching tv.
     
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  21. OC-Trainer

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    And people have jumped out of planes with parachutes and died.

    Give me mindset, skill set, then tool set. And when it comes to the tools, nothing is a panacea.
     
  22. Sniper66

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    I carry where I feel most vulnerable, like having a gun in the glove box of my car or in my pocket when I travel to unfamiliar areas. That said, although I feel safe at home and in my neighborhood, I have had occasions when an uninvited solicitor came to my house, usually selling something. That always bothers me a little. One day a guy pulled to the curb in front of our house and wanted to sell something. My wife and I were working in the yard. Before I could get my bearings, my gullible wife accompanied him to his vehicle to see his products. I intervened and asked him to leave since unapproved solicitors are banned in my community. The only weapon I had was a digging fork. Fortunately, he left without incident. My wife realized her mistake and is more careful now. I really, really don't like feeling suspicious of people, since the large majority are well-meaning people, but I don't want to be foolish either. Where to draw the line??? We all have to decide for ourselves.
     
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    I respect your opinion! I really do; however, I very much doubt that some person who intends to end you life, prematurely, will show you the same deference.
     
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    And I'm sure those hardships have forged you both into the people you are today. Sometimes hindsight doesn't take that into account ;)

    Congrats on making it! I find your story inspirational. :thumbup:
     
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  25. The Bushmaster

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    I used to be paranoid...No more...Now I carry a .45 ACP.
     
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