Carry gun problem
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Black Majik
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Agreed with Frandy!
HK USP decocked and safetied. Definitely lot lighter than that Beretta! I love the USP because it offers so many options of carry. C1, DA/SA, DA/safetied, etc...
HK USP decocked and safetied. Definitely lot lighter than that Beretta! I love the USP because it offers so many options of carry. C1, DA/SA, DA/safetied, etc...
cxm
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S&Ws
Well, the S&W 669, 6904/6 etc. are excellent choices if you want to carry 9mm... very hard to beat.
CZ makes some compact guns that also are DA with thumb safeties (i.e. cocked and locked
) as well as decocker models.
SIGs are DA, and have a safety in the form of a de-cocker though it is on the frame vis a vis the slide as on S&W and Beretta.
I don't know of any auto that allows the safety to be engaged if it is not cocked.
I consider Glock to be an accident looking for a place to happen... so would avoid those entirely.
FWIW
Chuck
Well, the S&W 669, 6904/6 etc. are excellent choices if you want to carry 9mm... very hard to beat.
CZ makes some compact guns that also are DA with thumb safeties (i.e. cocked and locked
) as well as decocker models.SIGs are DA, and have a safety in the form of a de-cocker though it is on the frame vis a vis the slide as on S&W and Beretta.
I don't know of any auto that allows the safety to be engaged if it is not cocked.
I consider Glock to be an accident looking for a place to happen... so would avoid those entirely.
FWIW
Chuck
justice4all
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I'm also a prosecutor, but our boss lets us carry whatever we want. I generally carry a S&W 642, either in a pocket or in a paddle. I've never been comfortable with the idea of using a safety on a self-defense handgun.
VG
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The Smith & Wesson 3913 is a great all-around pistol and convenient for carry.
I have a Chief's Special 9 (more compact but heavier than the Scandium revolvers) but now use the 3913 almost exclusively as it's not much bigger or heavier.
Many choices, new and used, and many excellent holsters available, which can be a problem with some capable but less popular firearms. I purchased a High Noon Down Under with clip. High Noon has fast delivery;a 100% return policy; and excellent fit in a wide range of products.
I have a Chief's Special 9 (more compact but heavier than the Scandium revolvers) but now use the 3913 almost exclusively as it's not much bigger or heavier.
Many choices, new and used, and many excellent holsters available, which can be a problem with some capable but less popular firearms. I purchased a High Noon Down Under with clip. High Noon has fast delivery;a 100% return policy; and excellent fit in a wide range of products.
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Zach S
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I'd probably go with a Para LDA.
casual
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given your restrictions, i would opt for a solid .38 revolver
why no .357?
casual
why no .357?
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Ala Dan
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Another vote for the H&K Compact ~
If you are happy with your Glock and it meets the "manual safety" requirements why not stay with that gun. If not, I add another + for the Para Ordnance LDA guns . I carried a Carry 12 for over a year and it was my best carry weapon. The double action only trigger will spoil you and accuracy was almost target grade. It has the standard thumb safety found on all 1911 style guns as well as a grip safety.....yes 2 "manual safeties" and the gun will not fire without both being disengaged.
I also have to add another + for the Taurus PT-145 listed earlier. I bought mine about a year ago and it is my constant companion as well as a back up gun to all my 1911's. Double action only with a sweeeeet trigger and a slide mounted manual safety. There was some bad press about frame cracking problems with the earlier models. I have the 3rd generation Millennium Pro, with the small light rail, and after 2000+ rounds of flawless feeding and function, none of the previous problems have come about. With the polymer frame, it is by far, the lightest .45acp gun I have ever carried, even loaded with 10 in the mag and one in the tube. The price I paid for mine new was $250.00.........not too shabby for such a nice gun.
Either gun will suit your needs if the Glock is not allowed. Good Luck on your choice.
I also have to add another + for the Taurus PT-145 listed earlier. I bought mine about a year ago and it is my constant companion as well as a back up gun to all my 1911's. Double action only with a sweeeeet trigger and a slide mounted manual safety. There was some bad press about frame cracking problems with the earlier models. I have the 3rd generation Millennium Pro, with the small light rail, and after 2000+ rounds of flawless feeding and function, none of the previous problems have come about. With the polymer frame, it is by far, the lightest .45acp gun I have ever carried, even loaded with 10 in the mag and one in the tube. The price I paid for mine new was $250.00.........not too shabby for such a nice gun.
Either gun will suit your needs if the Glock is not allowed. Good Luck on your choice.
First I'd see if a Saf-T-Block for the Glock will satisfy their requirements. I doubt if I'd modify the frame of my Glock for an aftermarket safety. If the Saf-T-Block doesn't fly I'd probably go with a S&W auto. I carried a 3913 for several years before I switched to a Glock 26 and was highly impressed with the reliability and accuracy of the Smith. As much as I like revolvers, I'd resist a great deal switching back to one for a couple of reasons. First all my training in the last 20 years has been with autos. Second while 6 shots may be enough for a single assailant, today's shootouts often involve more than one assailant and can take minutes to resolve where shootouts used to take seconds. Speedloaders help, but unless you're highly trained revolvers are horribly slow to reload. I've never shot the Springer XD but have heard good things about them, same goes for the HK's.
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CAS700850
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Situation update:
The Boss is sticking with the rule, at least for now. In generic terms (due to the pending case), there was an AD at the local Sheriff's Department involving a Glock. The matter came to our office for review (standard procedure), which led to the boss saying it was dumb to carry a gun with no safety, and hence the rule change.
This may be a temporary thing, so I'm going to hold off on making any quick change in equipment. So, for now, the Beretta rides on my hip. Since the weather is changing, the Beretta's size is becomeing less of a problem, as suitcoats and heavier jackets make it easier to conceal. I'll keep you updated on the situation as it progresses.
The Boss is sticking with the rule, at least for now. In generic terms (due to the pending case), there was an AD at the local Sheriff's Department involving a Glock. The matter came to our office for review (standard procedure), which led to the boss saying it was dumb to carry a gun with no safety, and hence the rule change.
This may be a temporary thing, so I'm going to hold off on making any quick change in equipment. So, for now, the Beretta rides on my hip. Since the weather is changing, the Beretta's size is becomeing less of a problem, as suitcoats and heavier jackets make it easier to conceal. I'll keep you updated on the situation as it progresses.
Ken Rainey
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No disrespect intended...but your "Boss" needs to learn more about how Glocks work and their designed safeties...they won't fire unless the trigger is pulled. The Accidental Discharge would be due to a weapons failure where as a Negligent Discharge would be due to an operator error....just wondering which it really was. These things always causes people in charge with limited knowledge of weapons to have a knee jerk reaction....and whats even more sad is they blame the gun instead of the person handling it....sigh. If its the weapon that fired by itself so be it and let it be known but that is relatively rare.
I really hope that a proper investigation into the event reveals the truth and avoids needless accusations and "policies" that will affect everyone for one person's (possible) mistake.
Again, sorry for your situation.
I really hope that a proper investigation into the event reveals the truth and avoids needless accusations and "policies" that will affect everyone for one person's (possible) mistake.
Again, sorry for your situation.
MachIVshooter
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My CCW is a Witness Compact 10mm. They are available in steel or polymer, and one of the newer renderings is the P-carry model. It is a poly-frame with full grip and short barrel (3.7", I think). 10 rounds of .45 or 15 rounds of 10mm. The standard compact is 10 rounds 10mm/.40 or 8 rounds .45. The steel models are a touch heavy, but still smaller dimensionally than your 92FS. Grip size of the 10mm/.45 is similar to the 92. Safety is 1911 pattern and can be engaged either hammer down or C&L. I carry mine hammer down, safety off (no real chance of AD with an 11# DA trigger). They're boringly reliable, deadly accurate and affordable to boot. I paid $299 for mine. Only issue I have is the rounded trigger gaurd, but I am taking care of that soon (gonna weld and grind 'till it looks like my 4506's gaurd).
Wynterbourne
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Magnum Research Baby Eagle (MR9900). It's a hefty, all steel piece, but VERY slim. It conceals very easily in a quality IWB holster, such as Tucker Gunleather's 'Texas Heritage'.
My new 'baby' though is my Beretta PX4-F in 9mm. It's wider than the Baby Eagle, but weighs in at only 27 ounces. I love the 17+1 capacity. I got to fire a friend's this weekend (I STILL haven't been able to get mine to the range) and it was incredibly accurate with extremely light recoil.
I watched him put a couple of hundred rounds through it, with only a cursory cleaning before firing, and it ate them all. We put 100 rounds American Eagle 124gr FMJ, 100 rounds Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ, 50 rounds CCI Blazer 115gr FMJ, and 40 rounds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok JHP through it. There was not one hickup throughout the entire session.
Like I said, it is a bit wide for a carry pistol, but I was able to conceal it with an el-cheapo 'Uncle Mike's' holster. I was wearing dress slacks, a dress shirt, and a tie, and the spare tire around my gut normally makes concealing a difficult thing.
My new 'baby' though is my Beretta PX4-F in 9mm. It's wider than the Baby Eagle, but weighs in at only 27 ounces. I love the 17+1 capacity. I got to fire a friend's this weekend (I STILL haven't been able to get mine to the range) and it was incredibly accurate with extremely light recoil.
I watched him put a couple of hundred rounds through it, with only a cursory cleaning before firing, and it ate them all. We put 100 rounds American Eagle 124gr FMJ, 100 rounds Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ, 50 rounds CCI Blazer 115gr FMJ, and 40 rounds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok JHP through it. There was not one hickup throughout the entire session.
Like I said, it is a bit wide for a carry pistol, but I was able to conceal it with an el-cheapo 'Uncle Mike's' holster. I was wearing dress slacks, a dress shirt, and a tie, and the spare tire around my gut normally makes concealing a difficult thing.
perception
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I would have to suggest the HK USP too. You can carry it DA with or without the safety, or you could even carry cocked and locked. It meets your needs and the requirements.
Bersa Thunder
Given the same circumstances, I would opt for one of the Bersa Thunder Compact autos.
Good size, good range of calibers, Great Gun. I have a 9 Thunder and am considering getting the 40 or 45.
DA/SA with large, easy to manpulate thumb safety that works effortlessly coming out of the holster.
my $.02,
popaye
Given the same circumstances, I would opt for one of the Bersa Thunder Compact autos.
Good size, good range of calibers, Great Gun. I have a 9 Thunder and am considering getting the 40 or 45.
DA/SA with large, easy to manpulate thumb safety that works effortlessly coming out of the holster.
my $.02,
popaye
usp_fan
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Another vote for the USP compact. However, can I recomend the LEM trigger upgrade. I believe you can still use this with the manual safety, and the double action pull is significantly lighter.
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