carry pistol light?

[Shawn Dodson]

Tactics developed by cherry picking statistics are trash.

Givens has had about 70 of his students involved in shootings.

The data isn't cherry picked at all, it represents the circumstances of all 70-ish student shootings.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

"A few weeks ago I was made aware of someone who caught a boatload of felony charges because he investigated a suspicious vehicle that happened to be full of lost teenagers. He investigated with the light mounted on his pistol...meaning he pointed a gun at multiple minors who posed no reasonable threat to anyone."

-- https://pistol-forum.com/showthread...Massad-Ayoob&p=1397158&viewfull=1#post1397158​

 

[The_Quartermaster]

"A few weeks ago I was made aware of someone who caught a boatload of felony charges because he investigated a suspicious vehicle that happened to be full of lost teenagers. He investigated with the light mounted on his pistol...meaning he pointed a gun at multiple minors who posed no reasonable threat to anyone."

-- https://pistol-forum.com/showthread...Massad-Ayoob&p=1397158&viewfull=1#post1397158​

LMAO

Someone doesn't know what the weapon mounted light is for.

 

[ClicheBro]

="Shawn Dodson, post: 12460692, member: 1637" The data isn't cherry picked at all, it represents the circumstances of all 70-ish student shootings.

Then why carry a gun at all?

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Then why carry a gun at all?

67 of his students have been involved in shooting incidents.

3 students were murdered when they decided they didn't need to carry a gun that day.

The remaining students, 64, won their gunfights.

None of them needed a light, or felt they needed a light.

A light on a CCW pistol is more of a legal liability than a tactical asset.

 

[dp509]

I have a Glock 19, 5th Generation that I carry a Streamlight TLR-1s.

Strong side carry and Appendix.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

LMAO

Someone doesn't know what the weapon mounted light is for.

Like you : "...to PID."

LMAO

 

[The_Quartermaster]

Like you : "...to PID."

LMAO

Like to you, still don't understand this topic either unlike myself, who does.

LMAO x2

 

[The_Quartermaster]

67 of his students have been involved in shooting incidents.

3 students were murdered when they decided they didn't need to carry a gun that day.

The remaining students, 64, won their gunfights.

None of them needed a light, or felt they needed a light.

A light on a CCW pistol is more of a legal liability than a tactical asset.

You still don't understand this topic at all further still.

A light on a CCW isn't a legal liability, not following the four rules is though.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Like to you, still don't understand this topic either unlike myself, who does.

LMAO x2

A WML on a CCW pistol is a Call of Duty costume accessory.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

You still don't understand this topic at all further still.

A light on a CCW isn't a legal liability, not following the four rules is though.

You're not in control of of other people's perceptions of what you do.

If somebody believes you pointed your gun at them and they feared you might shoot them while you're doing your "PID" thing with your WML, and tells this to police, then you're subject to arrest for felony aggravated assault.

It doesn't matter what your intent was, or if you just used the periphery of the beam,splashed the light off a surface, etc., to avoid pointing your gun directly at somebody. If that person, or a witness, reasonably believes you pointed your gun, and you had no right to, and they feared you might shoot, then you're likely to be charged with a felony.

You're not running around "PID-ing" with a flashlight, you're running around "PID-ing" with a gun in public. That's a big difference.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

You are free to do as you do and not want one, I don't care really what someone else decides on that is different than me. However when it becomes an agenda tell others negligently that it's not needed is misleading information.

You don't have it there to operate and be high speed, mil, or police. You have it on there so you can PID at the last second and not shoot your wife, your kid, your family members, friends, dogs, or cat. And it also helps to stun any intruder when getting 500 to 1,000 lumens and gives you an edge in defensive countermeasures before deciding to shoot or not. Plus it's better to use a WML instead of the FBI technique in conjunction with.

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/c...-alex-rupp-manslaughter-plea-deal/7308363001/

So you're going to wait until the very last moment before you drop the hammer on your wife, family members, etc., to point your gun at them and PID them with your WML? That's a recipe for tragedy.

Identifying a threat as a friend or foe in a home defense situation is best accomplished by using a verbal challenge instead of sneaking around the house like a pretend Ninja and playing hunt the burglar.

 

[mcb]

I carry a pocket flashlight seven days per week, so I don't carry one on my edc gun. I do, however, have one on my nightstand gun.

I do exactly the same. I carry a nice Olight Mini Warrior 2 EDC. None of my CCW guns have a light or a holster to accommodate one. My nightstand gun has a TRL-1 on it.

That said I plan on turning on lights in my house if I think there is someone inside. Being able to see is far more of an advantage to me in my own house than a stranger. The light on the gun is back up to regular lighting. I am also not really going to go looking for them once I have my family together. I will let them come to me assuming they have not left before the police arrive. Lots of loud verbal communication between me and my family and suspected invader will also be occurring. I want to make it clear where I am and that I am armed and ready to defend myself so that they have every opportunity to leave.

 

[Space Ghost]

It's the perfect solution, seeing as how bad guys love darkness.
However, you should also carry a handheld light for the many times you will need it, but not your weapon.

 

[Robert]

A WML on a CCW pistol is a Call of Duty costume accessory.

Maybe to you. But then I have, and train with, a weapon mounted light on my carry pistol. But you don't have to use one if you don't want too. There is enough room in this world for differing opinions on gear.

Now, Mod hat on, everyone knock off the snark and non-THR Behavior.

 

[Robert]

A light on a CCW pistol is more of a legal liability than a tactical asset

Do you have any citation or case law to back that up? Or is that just your opinion?

 

[12Bravo20]

Maybe to you. But then I have, and train with, a weapon mounted light on my carry pistol. But you don't have to use one if you don't want too. There is enough room in this world for differing opinions on gear.

I couldn't agree more!!!!!

Use a WML if you want to, just make sure to train with it. And if you choose not to use a WML, then that is fine too.

Now, Mod hat on, everyone knock off the snark and non-THR Behavior

Thank you!

Here lately this forum has started to look like ARFCOM or Glock Talk with how people want to argue or belittle others for having a difference in opinion. Three prime examples are: this thread, the thread on pistol red dots, and the thread on pistol lasers. We don't need the arguing over opinions, this IS the High Road after all.

 

[Armored farmer]

My wml gets used most often when the dog is barking it's head off out by the chicken house, garden, or grain bins. I doubt the sheriff would want me to call him every time that happens.

 

[sisyphus]

I have a light on both my defensive pistols and on all carbines. Better to have it and never need it than need it and not have it.

 

[Cacas ex Fortuna]

White light gets you kilt in a combat situation.
Where ever that light is, fire will soon be aimed right for it.
Off hand if you must.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I think there's potential utility to a WML on a CCW gun. That said my daily EDC gun does not wear a light, partly because I haven't found a holster for CCW I like that accommodates a light. That said, I do have a kydex chest rig that holds my HK VP9 with its Inforce WML. This is my camping rig, and I would never go out in the woods without the WML on my light. Some predators are diurnal, some nocturnal, but there are no electric lights in the wilderness areas of Montana & Idaho. Once the fire dies down if there's no moon or it's cloudy your lucky to see your hand in front of your face. I also keep a WML on my bedside pistol and all my carbines. My bed is opposite the side of the room with the light switch so if I have to get up at oh dark thirty for some unplanned drama I have a gun with WML and a regular hand held light handy.

 

[herrwalther]

White light gets you kilt in a combat situation.
Where ever that light is, fire will soon be aimed right for it.
Off hand if you must.

That is not true. This is a common line parroted by people who have neither the training nor experience in night fighting with a light.

 

[shoobe01]

Yes to WMLs. All my carry or likely-to-be-used-socially guns. Even my subcompact has a TLR-6.

Also have like 9 NV/Thermal devices, do lots of FOF in the woods, and more, and know the use and risk of white light. When not on NV, will take a light on the gun in a fight every day and twice on Sunday. Unequivocal. Zero caveats.

Always have a flashlight on my body, more often than I have a gun which is plenty. Often more than one on my body. In the house maybe... 30? Whole family likes lights. Use handheld for search, WML for aiming and second-order PID before you pull the trigger.

 

[MikeInOr]

Nightstand gun, sure!

Carry gun, heck no! I like to pocket carry or IWB carry. If I put a light on my EDC I would no longer want to carry it.

To each their own though.

Most friends that like to carry large and bulky pistols almost never have it on them. I carry small lite guns and never leave the house without one.

 

[starnbar]

"A few weeks ago I was made aware of someone who caught a boatload of felony charges because he investigated a suspicious vehicle that happened to be full of lost teenagers. He investigated with the light mounted on his pistol...meaning he pointed a gun at multiple minors who posed no reasonable threat to anyone."

-- https://pistol-forum.com/showthread...Massad-Ayoob&p=1397158&viewfull=1#post1397158​

Amen to that while on the job I witnessed MANY stupid incidents by well meaning citizens who SHOULD have known better.