Carrying swords - is it legal?

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I carried a short sword in a scabbard once, opposite a concealed pistol, just for grins and giggles. LEGAL as church on whatever day of the week you prefer. Got some looks. but not as many as if the pistol had been openly carried. Scabbard was plain borwn leather, sword was simple brass hilted.
The blade was a fully functional one, but I lack any serious skill with a sword, was just for fun. I believe the proper use of a live blade is something that takes some serious skill and time to aquire, if you have the time/money.
 
In my younger days I had an encounter with leo's [park rangers] while carrying a sword, dirk, and a sighn dubh [small boot or stocking knife] the last thing on their mind was my cutlery. They approached, looked me over, looked around and then said "Sorry sir, but we had a report of a man in a dress torturing a bag full of cats." they left [bikers offroading was more pressing] and I went back to playing Porcupine Pie [a Niel Diamond tune] on my pipes. This is near the top for strange things leo's have ever said to me, just an off thread note here the bagpipes are the only musical instrument that was at one time illegal.
 
Wwll, I don't actually want to carry a sword:rolleyes:, but I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed if I am allowed to carry a gun!

I searched man carrying sword on Google.
Here were some of the results:

Man carrying 'Prophet's sword' arrested
Man Carrying Loaded Shotgun, Sword on Street Is Arrested
Cornwall | Police shot man carrying a sword
Capitol Police Arrest Man Carrying Gun - Suspect also wore samurai sword
Man carrying sword charged in MECA break-in
Man carries samurai sword into Casino Rama, gets arrested
Sword-carrying man in white skirt needed some water
Man carrying dog skull, sword, knife and Molotov cocktail prompts call
Man arrested at Macy's in NYC for carrying sword
Police use baton round on sword-carrying man
Security Guard Fatally Shoots Sword-Wielding Man
Man with Sword breaks into ex-girlfriend's apartment
Man Gets Hand Cut Off With Samurai Sword, Punches attacker with stump
Man held over MP aide sword attack


Good God, looks like only the crazies do it.
 
And why are daggers and stilettos (no jokes please) prohibited in some areas where a foot long Bowie is legal?

A Sykes-Fairburn would make a good carry knife.
 
I don't actually want to carry a sword, but I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed if I am allowed to carry a gun!

It depends upon your state laws. For those states with dangerous weapons permits you're permitted to carry almost anything in addition to a gun. If your state only issues Handgun Carry Permits, like mine, the limit is a handgun.

Good God, looks like only the crazies do it.
Might tell you something about why most of us are saying it's not a practical idea in most areas.

And why are daggers and stilettos (no jokes please) prohibited in some areas where a foot long Bowie is legal?

If this is a philosophical question, there's not much we can do to provide an answer. If it's a practical legal perspective, you're making some assumptions that may not be correct. Most places prohibit blades of a length that most bowie's would carry. Most places that prohibit daggers and double edged blades prohibit bowies. Some specifically prohibit bowies (Tx, surprisingly).

You have to read your state/local statutes concerning weapons and knives to actually know what isn't permitted (and then it may not be very clear), but you can't just pull opinions out of the air until then.

As to the Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, there are much better dagger designs out there for a defensive carry knife. Remember that the FS evolved into the Applegate-Faribairn and there have been many other daggers (see the currently open dagger thread) that don't have the weaknesses of the FS (fragile tip, small grip, round grip).
 
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I searched man carrying sword on Google.
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Good God, looks like only the crazies do it.
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Google "carrying an assault weapon" or "arsenal found" to see how only the crazies own firearms.
 
"You can't carry a sword in Kentucky. It is classified as a deadly weapon.
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Not exactly....without a permit, you can't carry a CONCEALED sword in Kentucky!!!

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Not exactly....without a permit, you can't carry a CONCEALED sword in Kentucky!!!

see, that's the way it is in FL. it's legal to openly carry deadly weapons (other than firearms and possibly electric devices), but if you wanna hide it..... you gotta get yer permit.

i keep my permit up to date, even though i'm LEO, because i don't want my carry rights to be job dependent AND because i conceal a fixed blade knife.
 
One way or the other you're eventually going to fail an interaction with LE.

There are many one way or the other scenarios available to you should you decide on this course of action:

1. You will guarantee irrevocable status as a mall ninja.
2. Girls will shun you.
3. Men will laugh at you
4. You will eventually get tired if carrying a sword around and have no place to stash it.
5.No retail establishment, restaurant or bar that isn't run by loonies is going to let you through the door.
6. At best, someone is going to start calling you Boromir. At worst, you will get your sword rammed deeply into you.
 
I believe the proper use of a live blade is something that takes some serious skill and time to aquire, if you have the time/money.

Especially time. Takes years of almost daily practice. Sometimes I'll get together with other martial artists and we'll train in a park. Sometimes LEOs will show up. But they see right off that you're no problem. Sometimes they'll just ask a few questions but once they see that you are training, they wish you a good day and move along. In general, cops don't mind seeing civilians learning self-defense - they usually approve.

Most of us have custom carrying cases that are similar to gun cases. Not recommended to walk around with it strapped to you.
 
You can legally open carry a sword in California.
No permit, license or permission required (as is the case for any real freedom).


Concealing it or any fixed blade that can be used to stab is a felony.

Concealing a sword actually can be legal if it has no point that can be used to stab. A cleaver or machete or even a typical sword with a flat tip no longer meets the definition under PC12020 of a weapon that must be carried openly.
Since I doubt your typical police officer will have have run into such circumstances before they would probably still make an arrest for a concealed non "stabbing weapon".
But it would not be illegal.

So sword with a point must be open carried. Swords that cannot stab can be carried concealed. This is because the restriction on concealing fixed blades uses the legal definition of "dirk or dagger" per PC12020 which defines them as:
(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife
or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of
ready use as a stabbing weapon
that may inflict great bodily injury
or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.

"Dirks and daggers" as defined above are legal to carry, but not to conceal. A sword with a point is a "dirk or dagger" per California law.
Fixed blade "stabbing weapons" must be open carried. Other fixed blade swords or knives that have no point may be carried openly or concealed.
 
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I object to the amount of flak this sort of thing engenders from so many on the forum here. Folks used to say the same thing about carrying a concealed handgun. Many still do. Or about carrying a rifle openly. Many still do. Fear of swords is no more rational than fear of firearms. Less so, in fact.

Thinking about it, I can't help but disagree with you, at least in part. I have no problem with someone wanting to carry a sword from a legal aspect. In fact, I have no problem with someone carrying any legitimate weapon for self-defense from a legal aspect. While I personally think hauling a sword around is dumb, I don't think it should be illegal. This opinion is based on practicality, not any fear of swords. Swords, regardless of their potential as brush clearing/ruffian slaying multitaskers, are simply not the most practical weapon available today. Pretty far down the list, I would think.

On the other hand, "Fear of Swords" is a pretty awesome name for a band.
 
I was carrying a german combat knife once, about a six incher, in a little rock book store when the cops rousted me. I thought I had it tucked under my t shirt. It kept poking out. The book store owner called them I'm guessing. They just looked the knife over and left. They told me I was fine. I left too. I was a little embarrased tho there was no reason to be. It was just a german made six inch combat knife........:evil:
 
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I believe the proper use of a live blade is something that takes some serious skill and time to aquire, if you have the time/money.

In the words of the famed swordsman:

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by Man In Black

You've done nothing but sword-play?
by Inigo Montoya

More pursue than study lately. You see, I cannot find him... it's been twenty years now and I'm starting to lose confidence. I just work for Vizzini to pay the bills. There's not a lot of money in revenge.

Twenty years sounds about right.

:D

Well, actually, you can get good enough for "street" engagements in perhaps five years.

Our fencing coaches had more than ten years in the game. They made no bones about the difference between fencing (the sport), and sword fighting (actual combat).

Paraphrasing, their take was something like: "Foil is for gentlemen (and ladies), sabre is for manly men, épée is for old men." They made the point that while the foil was gentle and dignified, and the sabre was manly and dramatic, the épée was crafty and treacherous. Why bother going for the head when the knee or foot is closer?

All the European fencing disciplines limit the fencer in some respect. Foil is a "point only" weapon, using a target area of the groin and torso, excluding arms, head, legs. Sabre is a "point and edge" weapon, using a target area of torso above the waist, head, and arms (but not the hands), while the épée is the only weapon that uses the whole of the body for its target area but even so it is limited to a "point only" weapon.

None of the traditional European fencing disciplines employ both the edge and point against the whole of the body. Imagine the protective gear you'd have to wear if that were the case. I've seen some prize-winning bruises on knees and thighs from attacks with a flexible point-only weapon. Add the weapon's edge to that? Damn!

I'm sure there are actual sword fighting disciplines, but they're outside my experience. In any case, I would hardly imagine that such a discipline would require any less invested time, compared to the tamer traditional fencing arts.

I spent a couple of years at it before life dragged me off in other directions. I got kinda sorta reasonably okay at it. Not good enough to be competitive. My coaches spent years and years at it. They were competitive, but didn't consider what they did actual fighting.

You know what's scary? A long blade in the hands of an amateur. I punched a hole in one of my coach's hands with the tip of a sabre -- right through the palm of her glove -- using a counter attack (actually a "stopping" attack) that was completely outside the scope of any training. On the one hand, she had to admit my counter was effective, while on the other she berated me for poor form and style. Hey, it seemed obvious to me, but I had no real training.

Sword fighting with some guy who doesn't know what mistakes he's supposed to make can be really frustrating, as I was to discover when I tried teaching my own students. I got beaten by one of my students in an exhibition tournament, but he was doing it all wrong!

Now, remembering that I, myself, am not an expert, I would consider mastery of sword fighting to be the level of skill required to be effective against both professionals and amateurs alike, both the trained and the untrained, both the skilled and the lucky. And that kind of mastery would take a lot of invested time.

Years. Probably several of them.

 
I have never cared for sword length weapons as they are both conspicuous and need constant practice. A hiking stick will trump a sword almost every time. What I do carry as part of any pack I have is a firestone belt axe. Under 2 lbs, can hit as hard as a claw hammer. choke grip it skins elk, close in the edge is devastating, and you can throw it underhand, overhand or sidearm with a little parctice. I have been stopped on foot for having a pistol or rifle, even a large skinning knife, but no one ever thinks to check that little camping tool on the right shoulder of my pack. No questions at all even in towns I was hiking through.

blindhari
 
I wouldn't try it myself for two reasons. One, because I'm sure I would get arrested and two, because I would feel absolutely ridiculous carrying around a sword in public.
 
Here's a pic of a UK gang carrying swords and a punch weapon. The bald guy is not a gang member, he's anti-gun correspondent Ross Kemp.
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You think guns are cool? Then go smell him.
Of course, gang violence is getting worse, and he blames guns.
Courtesy
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/justice/1585331/When-I-speak-to-UK-gangs-they-tell-me-Think-were-bad-You-should-see-the-ones-coming-up.html

One might need a sword to protect oneself, no?
I'd like those three guys to try and mug someone skilled in swordsmanship.
Ideally a Three Musketeers-like character who would handily disarm them all and say something funny afterwards.

Either that or Zorro.
 
Looks like the ninja gang got a deal at BudK....

I know you can carry a sword. But why? Carry a Khukri instead.
 
Actually, Bruce Lee was asked which weapon system he most recommended, like nunchaku, or whatever. He said traditional fencing was best. The idea is that the principles of basic fencing are long tested over time - parry and riposte, the moves are economical and effective.

But you won't be carrying a sword around with you, right? Lee continues the explanation: No, you probably won't. But you can grab a car antenna, a broomstick, a rolled up magazine, a broken off chair leg, any cylindrical object in the hands of a trained user can be highly effective.

Chinese sword work is radically different in the way the weapons are manipulated, but when it comes to combat, you still see the fencing basics come into play. I have to disagree slightly with the statement above that the sport of fencing is not like sword fighting. A fight will not have rules, but in the sport of fencing, if you are slow or don't know how to thrust and parry, you will get hit with the end of the opponent's sword. It's just a controlled fight.

With Chinese swords, the main difference is that they are used in such a way as to maximize body weight energy delivered through the blade - like a katana, the purpose is to hit hard and fast and hit again. More akin to saber. You never know what you might have at hand, and getting some training in bladed weapons is no waste of time. Maybe all you'll have is a squeegee, but you can be damn tough with it if you know what you're doing.
 
If I saw someone walking down the street brandishing a sword as their means of defense, I would make fun of them until they chopped my head clean off. Carrying a sword for practical defense purposes in today's society is one of the dumber things I have ever heard suggested.
 
Here's a pic of a UK gang carrying swords and a punch weapon.

East Staines Massive! Represent! LOL Something that looks like a Klingon weapon and a pair of brittle chrome katanawanas. Not much of a threat anywhere outside Old Disarmed Blighty.

This comment is particularly hilarious:

Ross reserves his wrath for the manufacturers of imitation guns

Don't try to find the logic or you'll hurt your synapses. I'm well versed in British slang, but I'm still trying to figure out what the devil a "TELLY HARDMAN" is. Maybe I don't want to know.
 
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Trying to stay high road here, but the outright distain for blades has me wondering, whatever happened to Tueller Drills?
 
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