Hey all, Hope everyone's doing well. Looking for load suggestions for quietest possible 357/ 38 loads for use in a rifle. I understand the risk of squid and that accuracy may suffer. I've seen discussion of using a couple grains of fast burning powder and downloading until you stick a bullet in the barrel and going up just a smidge from there. I can do that but I was hoping someone had a decent starting point. I'm not looking for reduced recoil - I use trail boss regularly and understand it's uses well but I don't consider it quiet although it's certainly not as loud as most loads. I live in Illinois and supressors are not legal through any channels available to me, I'm wanting a load for use at a friend's house where shooting is legal but he does have neighbors that don't appreciate the noise and I'd like a plinking load that won't offend. We do shoot everything out there but there's a time when it's best to keep it low key. I understand also that nothing will be as quiet as a suppressed rifle shooting subsonics but a subsonic with low pressure will be better than most. I prefer to use 357 brass but I have 38 brass as well if you think that may help. Looking to use either 158 grain swc or 180 grain go (both cast). I've seen guys use a round ball and the reduced weight helps lower pressure but I'd like to use components I usually use. Possibly appropriate powders I have on hand are : unique, titegroup & clays - I'm willing to get another powder just for this use if required. Thanks for any advice.