caught unarmed, condition white, glad i'm not Adam.

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i always carry. around the house, a quick trip to the corner store, well pretty much always. the only places i do not carry regularly are my folks house (their wishes) and the gym. its tough to run and do squats with a piece on my waist. their lockers are made of pressboard with cheapo latches so i hide it and lock it in the car. yesterday, i didn't strap it back on when i got in the car like i usually do. i just left it in my backpack and drove home. brought in all my junk and set my backpack down. the GF was right behind me on the way home so i left the door open, but the screen door closed but not locked.

so i'm stand there, sorting through the mail and the doorbell rings. its a big burly dude with and Army Rangers t-shirt on. i walk to the door and ask if i can help him. he asks if i'm Adam. he sounds a little pissed. i just reply with a "no". he asks me if i just moved in. i tell him about two years ago, maintaining direct eye contact until he looked away. "oh" he says, "i used to have a girlfriend that lived here." i tell him, "well, she's not here anymore", and he says thanks and walks away.

i watched him walk away to his car which was nowhere in immediate eyesight. he walks around the corner and down the street a half a block to his car which is parked on the side of the road. he was staking out my house(!) in search of either his ex-girlfriend or her new boyfriend. of course, it didn't dawn on me until later to get his plate number but i do remember the car.

this guy outweighed me by a good 60 pounds so he probably could have pummeled me fairly good. especially if the Rangers t-shirt was valid. i have no hand to hand combat training. the screen door was not locked and i was in the way of my own door so i couldn't have closed it before he got it if he wanted to, and my gun is safely zipped up in my backpack 20 feet away.

i'm glad he asked if i was Adam first and didn't assume i was and barge on in and start pounding on me. i'm glad i'm not Adam. made me remember back to some of the stories i've read here and other places about the ONE time someone needed their gun and it was the ONE time they went unarmed. i didn't turn into one of those stories this time, but i'll be sure to re-arm when i get in the car in the gym parking lot from now on.

its rare that i catch myself condition white. its even rarer thet someone else catches me. i learned it only takes one time to drive home the lesson.

Bobby
 
This morning I was also forced to realized that I was in total condition white. I got in my car to go to work and was sitting in my driveway giving my sunglasses a thorough cleaning. I had my head down for several minutes and I guess it looked to anyone outside that I wasn't moving. So I catch a glimpse of something out of the corner of my eye and realize in a split second it's a person standing right outside of my door. Made me jump. There standing outside of my door was the old man from down the street with his dog yelling "You alright?!" I guess it looked to him like I was just sitting in my car with my head forward and he thought maybe I'd passed out or something and came to check on me. I didn't even see this slow old man and his dog until he was right there. Just really makes one realize how easy it is to go into la-la land.

EDIT: For clarity's sake...it was the man talking, not his dog. :rolleyes:

brad cook
 
ok, a noob question... what are the condition colors, from good to bad? all i know(i think) is green>blueyellow>red>orange

or am i totally off already?

thanks
~TMM
 
TMM, don't worry, it's how you learn.

White=>Yellow=>Orange=>Red=>(Black), many do not use/recognize black

It's a modification of an old USMC system.

White--unaware/asleep
Yellow--awake and aware that world is not safe
Orange--specific threat
Red--fight (about to enter fight)
(Black)--(in fight)

I recommend reading some Jeff Cooper as well as anything else on the THR library list. :)
 
I also got caught just last week in condition white. I had just got home from the gym and was eating supper in my gym clothes (no CCW). Someone knocks on the door and my wife answers and let him in ( I know, big mistake, we talked about it later). Anyway, there is this stranger in my foyer and me in my gym clothes, not even with shoes on. He is someone from down the street who is going door to door asking for gas money so he can get to work tomorrow. He says that he will get paid on monday and will give me back double what I give him today. I said to just give back what I gave him, no problem. I gave him some money, he thanked me and left. I was somewhat unnerved by the experience and told my wife not to let strangers in the house, regardless if I'm home or not!

BTW, he never came back to pay me.

Bobby, I never considered carrying in the gym (doing squats while CCWing, that's a good one). I work out on Ft Bragg so carrying is out of the question there for me.
 
They teach you to id whoyou gonna kill in Ranger school. :neener:

Seriously, folks stay on my front porch unless I know them.
 
How about twice in one week? :what: And both times with children? :what: :cuss: :what:

First time was when I was out running with the dogs at the stable where we keep our horse. Several acres, 2 1/2 mile run around the circumference. The owners kid, a boy of 12, stalked me and the pups for fun and I never saw him until the younger dog flushed him.

2nd time was the neighbors kid, similar circumstances (I live in the woods/rural) where he was just sitting on a rock waiting for me to arrive. I didn't see him until he spoke........and what a humiliating situation that was!!

Both times I was in total condition white because I was out in the middle of nowhere and had my trusty (HA!! :rolleyes: ) watchdogs with me. These guys go off when the wind changes, but because they were with me or recognized the kids I got no warning.

In public or away from home I am either yellow or orange......it's embarrassing to realize that at this age I can still be slack... :uhoh:

BTW there were no firearms in my possession at either time, since I was running. I'm NEVER anywhere without a knife of course, and also have a lifetime of HTH training, but the kids sure taught me something on those days.
 
i always carry. around the house, a quick trip to the corner store, well pretty much always. the only places i do not carry regularly are my folks house (their wishes) and the gym.
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made me remember back to some of the stories i've read here and other places about the ONE time someone needed their gun and it was the ONE time they went unarmed. i didn't turn into one of those stories this time, but i'll be sure to re-arm when i get in the car in the gym parking lot from now on.
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Oh? What about when you're at your folks' house?

What is the basis for their wish that you not be armed at their house? Are they worried that you will do something irrational with your handgun? (Probably not, I imagine.) So it must be just an irrational fear, or "We just don't like the things!"

Well, what would happen if the same sort of thing went down, but this time the intruders did indeed mean to harm you or them, and/or were armed to do so?

Why do you meekly accede to their wishes about being armed in their house? What purpose does it serve? Have you ever asked them what purpose it serves, besides to leave the three of you more vulnerable than you need to be, to the random wacked-out stuff that may seem remote, but which we all know does indeed happen?

If you could carry without them being aware, I would do that. But far better would be for you to TAKE A FEW ISSUES OF "AMERICA'S FIRST FREEDOM" TO THEM AND SHOW THEM SEVERAL MONTHS' WORTH OF "THE ARMED CITIZEN."

Let them think about what it would be like to be the elderly couple who suffers a home invasion robbery/beating/attempted murder...

Honestly, if we are going to maintain that Dian Feinstein is exposing us to danger by opposing our right to carry, why would we not feel the same way about our own relatives doing so? It's EXACTLY the same thing! :fire:

-Jeffrey
 
Bobby, I never considered carrying in the gym (doing squats while CCWing, that's a good one). I work out on Ft Bragg so carrying is out of the question there for me.
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I'm afraid I don't understand.

If you're military, and you work out at the Fort, carrying is out of the question? Are you saying that military personnel who are trained to fight alongside one another IN BATTLE, with automatic weapons and explosives, are not permitted to carry a simple handgun for personal protection while on the base?

That seems about as stupid as the law saying a 20-year-old can fly an aircraft with 500 lb. bombs but can't purchase a handgun. :banghead: :cuss:

-Jeffrey
 
Jeffrey,
I am retired military, who works on post as a contractor. My job requires that I have a security clearance. If I get busted for CCW on post, I'll lose my clearance, and consequently, my job. I may not like it, you may not like it, but that is the way it is. I choose to abide by these rules to keep my job.
 
Jeffrey,

Fort Bragg spends several million dollars a year on a contract security company (out of Alaska) to protect people coming onto Ft. Bragg. No need for PFC Snuffy to carry a pistol on post, he is guarded 24/7 anyway. At least that's how the brasshats think. They don't trust PFC Snuffy with weapons very much anyway, they won't even let him carry hot in the Green Zone (or any other bases I know of) in Iraq.

lpl/nc (Ft. Bragg in the rearview mirror...)
 
If you're military, and you work out at the Fort, carrying is out of the question? Are you saying that military personnel who are trained to fight alongside one another IN BATTLE, with automatic weapons and explosives, are not permitted to carry a simple handgun for personal protection while on the base?
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CCW is not allowed on any military installation I have ever visited, privately-owned arms must be registered with the pass office (at the discretion of the commander) and kept either in the armory or in your own home (if you have a real house vs barracks-living). The garrison serves to protect the installation from outside threats and the MPs are supposed to handle all problems regarding persons inside the facility.

And yes, the military does not trust Pvt. Dufus with a weapon outside a war zone, even my Lt Colonel has to visit the armory to retrieve his duty pistol when going to the sandbox for a visit.

Kharn
 
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Jeffrey

i obey my parents wishes because a) they are my parents and b) its their house and their rules. i expect them to obey any house rules that i have while they are in my house, and they have the right to expect the same from me in their house. its just a simple matter of respect. i don't agree with it, i think its rididculous, and its based on an irrational fear of handguns yes, but its their house and their rules. i've talked to them and tried to convince them that it would be in their best interest to keep a weapon around but they are set in their ways, and refuse to listen to anything that goes against their preconceived notions or takes them out of their comfort zone. they tell me that i don't need it in their house and they don't want it there so if i want to go over and see them, i leave it in the car. i don't visit nearly as much as i used to, but they are my folks so i like to go see them on occasion.

we had it out over mom trying to tell me not to carry in MY house when she comes over. needless to say, she lost that one.

that isn't the point to this story though. i choose to obey their wishes. my folks are getting older and won't be around forever. i don't want to spend the next several years arguing with them about guns. there's more important things sometimes.

Bobby
 
i choose to obey their wishes. my folks are getting older and won't be around forever. i don't want to spend the next several years arguing with them about guns. there's more important things sometimes.
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IMO, that's a damn mature perspective.
 
Why do you meekly accede to their wishes about being armed in their house?
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Because he was taught to respect his parents. The world would be quite a bit better if we never lost sight of this attitude in the first place. Furthermore, as a guest in someone's home, it is polite and common courtesy to abide by the rules of the host.
 
IMO, that's a damn mature perspective.
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Because he was taught to respect his parents. The world would be quite a bit better if we never lost sight of this attitude in the first place. Furthermore, as a guest in someone's home, it is polite and common courtesy to abide by the rules of the host.
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I have a friend online who says he'll never allow guns in his home, so I just wont visit him. =p But if my parents say they don't want them in their home, I'll just have to visit them less, like the above.
Fortunatly, I seriously don't see my parents dissalowing carry (even though I have no idea what their stance is on CCW...been hinting at it a bit though), there have always been guns in their homes. Especially my dad. ;D
 
Amen to that, Dave! I totally see where Bob is coming from with the respect issue. I own several guns, shoot them/clean them often, read about them while I'm at work, etc.... Basically, I am very comfortable with guns. Now, of my friends, there are several that have their CCW, but only 2 that I allows to carry inside the confines of my home. As you can imagine, this has led to various arguments, but in the end, it is MY home, and what I say is what goes. Not only is it a matter of respect, but also of trust. Just wanted to add my nickel's worth....

Five Cent
 
My parents set the rules in their home and I abide them and I'll turn 40 this month!

That being said my dad has alway had guns in places around the farm and home. I grew up understanding that they were loaded, and when I was authorized to use them.
 
A scarey situation no doubt. Glad it worked out well. We all have those HUA moments (head up a&%) from time to time. It's a lesson learned.

No CCW on military bases. Furthermore, I was 11 yrs. USMC. Never missed carying on base. Never felt the need. Military life is a different world. You live in the ultimate "gated" community without a lot of the riff-raff that is present in the civilian world. It's actually quite pleasent.

Regarding 20y.o. piliots dropping bombs; To be a pilot requires a college degree and approximately two years of flight training before you are allowed to drop any bombs. That would put the age of the youngest pilot at around 25.

When I carry and in someone elses home, I don't announce it and they usually never know. If an objection is raised I have two and only two options; Leave the weapon outside the house, or don't go in. It's all about respect. You can't demand it if you aren't willing to give it.

Semper Fi!
 
The Army has High School-to-Flight School. Go to basic, WOC School, Flight school, and you can be an Apache Pilot at 19.5 or so. That was how my father became a pilot. So they aren't dropping bombs, but they are shooting Hellfires.
 
Glad to hear nothing came of it.

I always keep my doors locked. The wife and daughter know that if a stranger comes to the door I am to answer it. I always have a pistol in my pocket when I do.

Ain't that just the way it goes with the character looking for Adam! It would just turn out to be that one minute that you didn't have something handy that you wished you did.
 
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