CC holders is there a place you don't carry?

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I carry everywhere I can legally carry.

The pupose of concealed carry is to be able to protect and defend yourself at all times! To assume that bad guys won't do anything in your church is IMHO a really faulty assumption. In my experience bad guys tend to look for the weak and unprotected. If you are intending to carry a firearm concealed then make the commitment to do it persistently, consistently, positively and, above all, effectively. If you cannot do that then don't carry. Good shooting;)
 
I just find carrying in a chruch to be disrespectful. You all are not changing my mind on that one.

How do you know a place is dangerous? Well if you live someplace long enough you learn the areas you don't drive through, drive near, and God forbid you happen to get into one of those areas. Don't even stop at the stop signs. Lock your doors and go like a bat out of hell. You also learn where the wolves hunt and you don't go there.

Dangerous people are another matter. Crime tends to export itself into the nicer areas. Makes sense to go where the money is. You can avoid alot of these fellows by being aware of your surrondings. I think most of you CC guys would avoid trouble instead of confronting it even though you are armed. Makes sense to play it safe.

Now it you are forced into a confrontation being armed does put you on better footing than I. But you are foolish in the eyes of a person who carries a gun and wears body armor. So, no matter who you are, someone will think what you do is too risky for them. Which is as it should be. People taking precautions in ther daily lives to match their perceived risk of the their situation.

I started this thread to see what CC people do. I've gotten answers from all the time, to not where its akward, to not here, not there. Interesting group of answers. You see, I'm basicly talking myself into getting a CCL. I'm just exploring how people use theirs in their daily lives by seeing where they carry and where they don't and why. And see if some of these ideas are good enough to adopt and use in my situation. Thanks for the responses so far.
 
:rolleyes: Someone once told me; ‘If you take one good man, and one evil man and place them, together, on an island the evil man will, always, have the immediate advantage!’ Whether it’s a: church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever other house of worship, you should NOT forget that what is, ‘sacred ground’ to you is, correspondingly, someone else’s, ‘killing field’. Sorry, but that’s just the way things are! ;)
 
Also, I feel OK about going around most of the time unarmed. Places that I know are dangerous, well I won't go there. I've always had the mindset if you know you need a gun to go someplace, well you probably shouldn't go. I don't really want to get out and feel naked if I leave home without it. I know, I know stupid reason.
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Not trying to change your mind, but from my experience, the ONLY place you will ever find trouble is from places you DID NOT expect it from.

I'm sure that if you asked all the folks that had been raped, murdered, mugged, robbed, kidnapped... the majority would tell you that just before it happened they felt perfectly safe and thought they were in a safe place.
 
The only places I do not carry are my dad's house, because he has asked me not to, and I respect that, and when I am at work, it is in my back pack, not on my hip. Other than that, I am armed 24/7
 
I carry whenever its legal and practical to do so.

Unfortunately, thats not near as much as I would like. Being a student one semester (felony to have a gun on campus) and employee of an electric metering company with a "no weapons" policy the next pretty much keeps me gun-free the majority of the time. Aside from that, there are many, many places where it's illegal to carry according to SC law.

Places where I wouldn't carry even if it were legal to do so:
1) places where lots and lots of alcohol is being consumed
2) family functions. Lots of antis in my family
3) while playing any sort of physical sport or working out at the gym

I'll admit that I don't follow the rules 100% all the time though. I carried illegally into an Applebee's and a movie theatre last night, which are two places banned under state law. Somehow, my gun failed to jump out of its new holster and start shooting people though. :rolleyes:
 
KadicDeshi,
According to:

http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/NXT/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=blr:code

5-73-306. Prohibited places.

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(16) Any church or other place of worship; or ...

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Now me personally, at one time my job schedule prevented me from attending church. Schedule changes and I attend, lets just say I have mixed feelings about organized religion at this time. Dun for monies , spoken to, but not hi , bye kiss my butt otherwise. Some good stuff on the radio, internet and I have reading material. I figure what is b/t me and a Diety is b/t me and that Diety.

No problem with those that do attend, especially with kids...personal dealie.

I do recall " where two or three are gathered..." a church is just a bldg, a few folks gathered together in a home,outdoors in the back yard, down on a farm... with CCWs...maybe the communication signal is better without the interference of hypocrisy, fancy cars, ego and new dresses and suits...whatever. Like I said I got a problem with some stuff that is organized.

Concealed means concealed, one has a responsibilty to one's self, Life and death are not scripted where I can know the when or where of next encounter. Printed words and legalese will not stop injury or death just because a legislative body says so.

Personal decison for each individual. The reality is bad stuff happens to good folks. Criminal ain't wired like most folks. Lots of legalese, and the like is written /are out there and only keeps and honest man honest - those not wired right don't adhere to these admonitions or practices.

Not advocating anything, just something to think about. Anyone whom draws a breath at some point will cease to do so - about the only absolute I can think of in this deal called life.

All the stuff in b/t ...no absolutes.
 
Since Wedgewood Baptist Church is in your back yard I would think that would serve as an example of how things can go bad very fast in the least anticipated place.

In Texas, concealed carry is not prohibited from places of worship if the congregation leader, pastor, chief elder, etc. allows it. I recall Preacherman saying he is carrying in the pulpit and I know of several other clergymen (and women) who do so as well.

I know of synagogues here in Texas and elsewhere who have an informal 'security detail' of responsible men who carry concealed during Temple services. I'd think that Christian congregations may do as well; I just don't know of them. (By the way, I'm not Jewish.)

I know of at least 2 pagan/earth-centered religious groups in the DFW area who are also security conscious.

I respect your feelings toward carry in a place of worship, but Wedgewood Baptist will always be in my memory as how a single lunatic can wreak havoc among a community in an environment of complacency. I don't fear much of anything, but I don't intend to be a 'target of opportunity' for anyone.

So, if you have any strong feelings toward proactive security in your place of worship, take it up with your minister. You might be surprised at the revelations.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
For leaving your carry in the car where do you keep it? in the trunk? would you consider installing one of those small pistol safes in your trunk and just bolt it to the body (as you have to do to transport AWs in CA) or do you think if you need to go to those lengths you shouldn't bring it?
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Actually, AWs are treated very similar to pistols in CA. Infact, the exact same statute governing pistols is specifically referenced BY NUMBER in the AW laws.

They must just be in a locked container, that is not the 'glove or utility' compartment.

Legally owned MACHINE GUNS must be transported in a secure container or safe bolted to the frame of the car.





http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/travel.htm

California Penal Code section 12285(c)(7) requires that registered assault weapons may be transported only between specified locations and must be unloaded and in a locked container when transported.

The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment. For more information, refer to California Penal Code Section 12026.1.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm
12285(c)(7)


(c) A person who has registered an assault weapon under this section may possess it only under any of the following conditions unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained under Section 12286:
(1) At that person's residence, place of business, or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner's express permission.
(2) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
(3) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(4) While on the premises of a shooting club which is licensed pursuant to the Fish and Game Code.
(5) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project which is about firearms and which is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
(6) While on publicly owned land if the possession and use of a firearm described in Section 12276 or 12276.1 is specifically permitted by the managing agency of the land.
(7) While transporting the assault weapon between any of the places mentioned in this subdivision, or to any licensed gun dealer, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 12290, for servicing or repair pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 12290, if the assault weapon is transported as required by Section 12026.1.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.htm

12026.1. (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this chapter.
(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.
 
I carry a weapon on me everywhere it is legal for me to do so. The only time I am not carrying on my person is when I am in the shower and when I am asleep and in both those cases I am never more than 3 steps from my weapon. When I got the concealed carry permit it was specifically to protect myself and my family, the weapon does no good to them or me if it is not in my posession if/when the unthinkable happens.

I had always wanted to get my CCW but what spurred me to finally get it was an incident where I went with my wife and a couple of her friends (female) to help a friend of hers move out of a room she had been renting. I asked another friend (male) to come along and help since I was going to be the only male and there were some heavy things to carry that would be beyond the capabilities of my wife and her friends. Well it turns out my wife's friend neglected to tell us that the people were drug abusers and not exactly the most stable people in the world. Her friend had asked a police officer friend to meet us there to make certain everything went smoothly but didn't notify him of all the particulars as well and he showed up before us and stirred up the hornets nest. We arrived and the man and woman that owned the house cam running out screaming obscenities and the neighbor across the street (a friend of theirs) comes running across the street waving a baseball bat and threatening us. We called the cops on my friends cell phone while we escorted the ladies back to their cars and my friend and I walked to our car (running would have made a bad situation worse). A car full of yahoos sped up and 6 new bad guys poured out and approached my car while I was trying to start it so we could get out of there (what a time for car trouble, eh?). While I was trying to start the car the large group of people started toward us screaming such wonderful stuff like "we're gonna kill you" and the ubiquetus "we're gonna f*** you up!" My friend redialed the cops to notify them that we were being threatened and how many people we were up against. I suddenly realized as two of the group got close to the side door that I hadn't hit the lock button and the doors were still unlocked. As I was reaching for the locking lever the nearest bad guy grabbed the rear door handle and opened the door. the guy next to him reached into his back pocket pulled something out and climbed into the back of my car reaching for my head with one hand and moving the hand containing the unkown object toward my neck. I leaned way forward and to the right to get as far from him as possible while still trying to start the car. My friend had a CCW and had apparently already drawn his weapon and was holding it at low ready. When the guy started reaching for my head he suddenly had a .357 in his face and my friend yelled "FREEZE" at the top of his lungs. I have never seen anyone move as fast as that group of bad guys in my entire life, they positively levitated across the road and into the ditch on the other side. That was when the car finally started (great timing, eh?). We peeled out of there pretty quick. The next scary thing is that 2 of the bad guys jumped into their car and pursued us, knowing we were armed! They were on our tail so close I couldn't see their headlights. My friend got back on the phone with the cops and notified them of what was going on and that were being chased and arranged to meet them at a convenience store a few blocks away. The bad guys decided to book it out of there when we turned into the well lit parking lot with a ton of witnesses.

I firmly believe I would have been dead or crippled from this encounter if it weren't for my friend's decision to obtain a CCW. I made the resolve then that I would never leave my safety or my family's safety up to someone else again. I took the CCW training class as soon as it was available after that incident. I also had a discussion with my wife about her choice in friends. Her friend moving in with some drug abusers can be written off as a stupid mistake but understandeable as they didn't have any of the major tell tale signs. Not notifying us of the potential for violence and/or criminal activity of the people invlolved was inexcusable, she could have gotten us injured or worse. I am not afraid of something bad happening, I don't let myself obsess on the incident. I occasionally discuss it with the friend who was involved and I think he and I both walked away with some valuable lessons learned. I look at the CCW the same as a fire extinguisher, burgler alarm, etc... it's a safety precaution because you never know when something could happen.
 
In Texas, concealed carry is not prohibited from places of worship if the congregation leader, pastor, chief elder, etc. allows it.
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You mean as long as they don't post 30.06 at the church right? Just like a business that's the only way they can legally prohibit legal concealed carry in a church in Texas.

brad cook
 
I'll NOT carry in my childrens' school(s), nor inside the church. However, since the Church is in a lousy neighborhood, I'd carry into the vestibule, hang it neatly (and well-disguised) on a coathook near the vestibule.

Since nobody knows I carry, (except wifie,) nobody will know that I am NOT carrying, nor what I hang up under my overcoat/jacket.
 
Yes, DigMe, the congregational leader is usually the one who would approve either a 30.06 sign or allow discreet, responsible concealed carry.
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Ok cool...just wanted to make sure we're on the same page because there seems to be some confusion with some people about the legality of church carry in Texas.

brad cook
 
I carry concealed everywhere I go. As the saying goes, "If I knew I was going to need my gun when I went there, I wouldn't go there.

Anyone remember where just recently (this year) some guy went postal somewhere in the US with a sword in a church?
 
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Nothing in the natural law on the subject.

For that matter, when Christ said, "Let him who has no sword buy one" He made no reference to features which might be banned or sword-free zones.
 
In state? .... every waking minute. I am not a religious man but respect churches ... and I would and have carried in them. I cannot carry into schools or courthouse ... neither features in my daily routine.

Get up in morning ... strap on .... end of day, turn in .... unstrap! This despite being at home and in office probably 9/10 of every day.

I am finding it less and less agreeable to have to go out of state ..... the act of removal is more than distasteful. Yesterday my wife and I enjoyed a great 180 mile bike ride ... and got very close to the Mason Dixon Line .... we could have ventured South further, into MD, before returning home but I refused to have to risk a problem. Crazy!
 
>ninenot

>I'll NOT carry in my childrens' school(s), ................


In Texas we can't carry in school(s). Any of them.

I am curious, why would you not want the ability to protect your
children should the need arise? This makes no sense to me.

Have you told your children how little you care for them?
 
My college forbids it, and I'm too close to graduation to risk expulsion now!

The low controls where I can carry, so I keep it out of schools, government buildings, other states, etc. In addition, I don't carry when I'm going to be drinking alcohol, or when I'm on potent medication. If I can't be trusted with an automobile, I leave the gun locked up.

What's more, if I've been unable to train for more than a month or two (with no pistol on campus, I can't even do dry-fire work), I'll stop carrying for a while. I've seen the atrophy in my capabilities over time, and I don't think I should be armed if I'm not sure to be at an acceptable level of competence.
 
I just find carrying in a chruch to be disrespectful. You all are not changing my mind on that one.
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You're not alone. The pastor of a church I used to attend made it clear that people carrying guns were not welcome to his church. I don't go where I'm not welcome. A friend has decided to continue attending, and leaves his gun in the car when he goes to that church (but he's not an "anywhere and everywhere" kind of guy anyway).

Not to try to change your mind or anything, but I've never understood why someone would think it was moral and right to carry a gun outside of church, yet somehow disrespectful to carry a gun inside of church. For me, life is valuable everywhere - including church. Since I carry a gun to preserve life, I carry into church when I go.

I decided long before I started carrying that I would not drink alcohol because if I did so, I'd be unable to ethically carry a gun.

I tend to carry everywhere legally possible, though there are times when I down-arm myself (as opposed to disarm) and carry a smaller, more concealable weapon as circumstances require.
 
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