CCI BR-4

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I recently broke open a brick of CCI BR-4 small rifle benchrest primers and loaded them in my 223 and one of my 308's.Both rifles are model 700's.In the first 20 out of the 223,I had 4 that didn't go bang.I immediately took the rifle to the shop and took the bolt apart.It had a little piece of brass and some dirt in the bolt body,but nothing serious,so I went back out and tried it again and had one more FTF.I didn't get around to shooting the 308 because my wife was due to be home after work,and she hates to see me shooting because she knows how much I enjoy it,and because it keeps me away from her honey do list,which has more words than the Bible.
I was running low on large rifle primers and bought a hundred rounds of Remington BR brass with small pockets for my 308.Next trip to the backyard range was a week or so later and during that week I installed a Tubb dual spring aluminum firing pin setup in the 223 because of the FTF's and because I'd been wanting to try one.I had 2 more that didn't go out of that 20,so I began to wonder about the primers,although I've never had a bad primer from any manufacturer in 40 years of reloading,and well over 100,000 rounds.I put the 308 in the bags and the first 3 went click,the next 3 went bang and the next one went click,the next 2 went bang and the last one went click.
That rifle has never failed with BR-2 primers,and it has a little over 1,000 rounds through it.I know I seated the primers properly.I also know there's no headspace problems with either rifle.I installed the barrel on the 223,and I installed with basically no headspace,and the 308 is a production barrel that I've checked the headspace on and it's right.The primers are stored in the same cabinet that I keep all my primers in,and have kept them in since 1987.
I loaded 20 for the 223 with CCI 400 small rifle primers and they all went bang.Is there a difference in the primer cups between the BR-4 and the 400?Has anybody else experienced this?I'm most certain I've narrowed it down to the BR-4 primers,but I still find it hard to believe that 30% of the primers in that brick are bad.If they were readily available it would be one thing,but the way it is now,I can't stand to throw 800 primers away.
 
Did you try firing them a second time?

Make sure your seating them till they bottom out and just a little more to preload the anvil. I've never had a problem with them.

AL firing pin does not have the mass as a steel FP, plus is softer. For me that's not a good option. Do you have a reduced power hammer spring ? Has your head space been checked. If you over size your brass pushing the shoulder back too far can cause problems too.
 
The firing pin is aluminum with a steel tip.It's lighter,but the dual springs are stronger.Also,the 308 I tried them in has the factory pin and spring and neither rifle has had a problem until this brick of primers.The brass for the 308 is new,so I'm not ruling out a little play between the brass and the chamber.The 223 has a barrel that I installed and I set my barrels up with tight headspace.It'll close on the go gauge,but with a .002 shim on the gauge it won't come close to closing.I neck size the brass for the 223,and there's no headspace problem for sure.I always seat primers a little past where I feel them hit bottom to preload the anvil,and I'm certain that's not a part of what's going on.I tried firing them a second time,and they won't fire.Good answers,Blue F100,but I think I got those bases covered.If I load 400's in the same guns using the same technique,there's no problem.
 
99% of primer failure is not being seated all the way to the bottom of the pocket, and hopefully pushing the cup down over the anvil.

Generally I agree but that still isn't always the answer. When I started loading for my Savage Axis 223 the only primers I was able to obtain were CCI# 41. With those primers I was getting anywhere between 40-60% failures. I stopped using those primers and have since used CCI# 400, CCI# 450, Winchester WSR and Remington 7 1/2 and every one has fired w/o a single failure. Now I seriously doubt I was only failing to seat just those CCI# 41 primers.
 
I would be taking the rounds apart. Look for all things primer for a problem. Already you say second strike did not work. Did you crush the primer and render it inactive? Is the cup thicker and not working. Have anvils missing. Parts of the primer mixed in with the propellant? Off center primer strikes? Doubt you have 1K bad primers there. Get back to us after looking.
 
I took apart the rounds that didn't go bang,and the primers look perfect.In the 308 I was using new Remington BR brass.The brass is the culprit in both rifles,I think.When I loaded the 308 brass,they just about fell into the full length sizing die,which is a RCBS Competition die.I neck sized the 223,but that brass is once fired Winchester Ranger brass,and it's a loose fit even in the tight chamber in that rifle.I loaded some of the 308 and seated the bullets to a .020 jam,hoping the bullet will help hold the case against the bolt face.I'll report back when I see what happens.For now,it does look like headspace is part of the problem in both rifles.
 
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