CCI Laying Off Workers?

[FM-793]

*Well I gotta admit the economy ain't in the greatest shape it's been in for the last 30 years or so. I'm only 65 and have never seen it this bad.*

Wow. I hadn't read about the copper caper at Lake City. Unbelievable. I'm not one to monger conspiracy theories, but I hadn't thought about the possibility of using the Federal procurement system to keep ammo inaccessible. That would definitely be a work-around.


I'd say the economy was significantly worse under Jimmy Carter than it is now. Double digit unemployment, interest rates in 20% range, rampant inflation, *real* gas shortages complete with rationing, US hostages held for 444 days as we sat on our thumbs, the USSR on the rise. Let's put it this way - money markets were paying 13% or more and mortgage rates were 18% and higher.

Am I the only one that remembers this stuff? Was it all hallucinations brought on by my "Pink Floyd and Cheetos" lifestyle back then?

 

[jcwit]

No you're not the only one that remembers. But here where I live we have double digit unemployment, over 18%. No lines at the gas pumps course most are worried about food money not gas money.

 

[243winxb]

The World at War

Current Conflicts - I count a total of 42 conflicts. No wonder there is no ammo/primers to be had. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/index.html

 

[243winxb]

I'd say the economy was significantly worse under Jimmy Carter than it is now.

I remember and agree. But we didnt have the bank/monetary system nearing Collapse like now. Plus this one is only started, its going to get worse. Keep your powder dry.

 

[Coronach]

This is the older version of "I read it on the internet, it must be true". In essence, this is "I heard it at the counter of a gun store, it must be true."

Mike

 

[243winxb]

No Primers Needed

Lets see, whats that recipe for BP How many parts of Saltpeter 100 , charcoal 20, sulfur 13.3 sounds right Read here for more info on the recipes. http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/recipe.html

 

[ThomasT]

Lets see, whats that recipe for BP How many parts of Saltpeter 100 , charcoal 20, sulfur 13.3 sounds right

Totally wrong. Its 75% saltpeter, 15% charcoal and 10% sulfer. That makes 100%.

 

[Dean Williams]

I called ATK this morning as I said I would yesterday. I spoke to a very cordial lady who was willing to talk about the primer supply situation, seemingly as long as I wished to wag her ear. Basically, this is what she had to say to my questions;

Both the Federal and CCI manufacturing facilities are working at full production capacity, fully staffed shifts, shipping product as fast as they can make it.

She said production runs are on a schedule, which means they have to make a certain number of millions of them before a production order can be shipped.

Everything they make, they sell to public distribution. People are buying more. (In other words, they are hoarding.)

Some of the people who were laid off at the CCI plant (who had been scheduled for layoff before all this, to begin with) have been called back to their jobs.

The "shortage" is not due to military contracts. They run other plants for that stuff.

Some of the primer production is dedicated to commercial consumer ammo makers' contracts, and demand for loaded ammo has also gone through the roof, (because people are hoarding ammo, too).
She reminded me that if you are buying loaded ammo, you are buying primers, too.

She stressed that the government is not buying up or stock piling any these primers. The everyday consumer is.

She said production and sales of consumer primers, the ones we buy, are up, and both CCI and Federal are making more than at anytime in the past that she knew of.

You just got this second hand, since I'm relating what I heard from the actual manufacturer. Call them yourselves and maybe you will be able to leave the rumors behind.
The number is 1-800-322-2342 and choose option #3.

 

[jcwit]

Well I guess that puts it all to rest. We are the maker of our own problem. Thanks Dean for taking the time to find out this information.

This to shall pass!
Thanks again!!!!

 

[longhorngunman]

Thanks Dean! Valuable info and makes sense even though I ain't trusting the powers that be! It seems everyone and their mother around here is either already a gun person and stocking up or are first time buyers buying up ammo for their new gun because they're uneasy with what's coming. I think some of the sheep are getting uneasy.

 

[Horsemany]

Well I guess that puts it all to rest. We are the maker of our own problem.

Bingo!! Yep. Screw the next guy. Gimme all you got is all too common these days. We're our own worst enemies. You know who you are.

 

[ForneyRider]

Going to be some good garage sales in the coming years.

 

[recoil freak]

Thanks Dean for all of your time and effort. The truly sad thing is the very same people (hoarders) are going to be the loudest ones to bitch when the prices go up.

 

[HisSoldier]

"Obama is ruining the economy"
hahahaha... right, he's been in office 50 days and he's ruining the economy. Sounds like another conspiracy theory in the making.

It's been said that President Obama's spending in those few days exceeded any other presidents in their first few years. I guess if one wants to believe he is doing a great job there is no sense in saying otherwise.
I don't mean to offend anyone but will say this, he needs a lot of prayer (1rst Tim 2: 1-4), because I don't see him as having any business sense at all. No one can force him to suddenly get the business experience millions of Americans have earned running businesses, or the common sense that most average Americans have after working all their lives, scrimping and saving and budgeting.

As to hoarding primers and powder, look long term, that's my advice. the shelf lives are very long, and it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

[goose2]

I for one wouldn't believe anything that come out of a SW employees mouth. My family owns a business that supplies product to SW and I new about there financial woes long before any of there employees did. When I would ask them about it they would laugh at me. I said you better hang onto your a** because there going down. The day it come public I went into the store and said I told you so.
One thing I do know is there are some of these firearm related company's that are laying off as we speak. They maybe months behind but they are having the same problems getting material to build the stuff as we are. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

 

[Dean Williams]

goose2:
The day it come public I went into the store and said I told you so.

How nice!

 

[ants]

Somewhere on THR we had a thread discussing data from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. It showed that total annual demand for military small arms ammunition for combat, training, and stockpiling is about one-fourth of commercial consumer demand (if I recall the numbers correctly). This includes shotshell and rimfire on the consumer side, which account for nearly half of consumer ammunition.

With skyrocketing ammo prices, millions of shooters have joined the ranks of reloaders. Even without hoarding, demand is higher than ever while production remains the same.

Nevertheless, large numbers of shooters will still be blaming the military and the Chinese for many years to come. Much easier to blame 'them'.

From my point of view, there is no need to blame anyone. Just a whole lot more friends to shoot with.

 

[Jenrick]

Well it's good to know that eventually I'll be able to start reloading 5.56 again. Just hope it's sooner rather then later. I'm hoping that in another month or two the stores will be flooded with powder, primers, and bullets as supply finally catches up.

-Jenrick

 

[Mal H]

Lets see, whats that recipe for BP How many parts of Saltpeter 100 , charcoal 20, sulfur 13.3 sounds right

Totally wrong. Its 75% saltpeter, 15% charcoal and 10% sulfer. That makes 100%.

No, he is totally right, as are you. 243winxb used a "parts" type of formula and you used a percentage formula. If you do the math you'll see that his formula and yours are in exact agreement.

The "part" could be grams, or ounces, or pounds, or kilograms, doesn't matter.

 

[Dark Skies]

Struth. Here in the UK you can't get small pistol primers for love nor money - and it's been like that for months. This is a real bind for me because at our local indoor range I get a lot of sour looks when I propel factory Cowboy Action loads(hate that name - conjurs up references of Brokeback Mountain) down range. "They're too loud!" they sob. To placate the girly whiners I usually shoot soft reloads but at present all I got is boxes full of loud to shoot.

 

[Guns and more]

It's called "cost reduction" and lots of companies are doing it now.

So the ultimate end would be to produce nothing and keep your cost to a minimum.
The only thing that makes sense for CCI to be laying off people during a time of great demand is that they have a plan to produce things cheaper. Automation or offshore.