CCW advice please

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Hi. I'm taking my CCW class on Sunday. I shoot regularly and understand the four rules. I've read Kansas laws on when using force and even deadly force is justified. (I hope that I never have to and am working on my situation awareness to help keep me out of a situation.)

What I'm asking is what should I be looking to learn from the CCW class? Is there anything you weren't taught that you wish was?

Thanks in advance.
 
Keep in mind the class is there to fulfill the state's requirements for the permit. That's it. Don't expect to get anything else out of it other than the ability to get a permit. Explore other venues in your area for post permit classes.
 
Is there anything you weren't taught that you wish was?

Personally, to be perfectly honest, I learned absolutely nothing in the Texas CHL class that I consider useful in the real life act of carrying a concealed handgun.

It was enough to satisfy the requirements, but it was not "training" by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, a lot of the legal stuff was incorrectly taught by my instructor.

I agree with Bubba, go find real training in your area after you complete the class, preferably training that covers your local laws as well as tactics.
 
Thanks guys. Hope I haven't ruined my experience by actually reading the law. :D (In Kansas I don't have to flee first if attacked. Hopefully I can avoid being attacked. I can even defend my property with reasonable, not deadly, force.) The instructor is a 28 year police veteran and is recommended by a very good attorney and avid hunter. I have no idea of the other attendees. Hopefully they have basic knowledge of handling and shooting guns. At least when I get my CCW I'll be able to transport my guns in my truck hassle free.
 
To me, the class I took to get my license was similar to going though hunter's education. You probably will know a lot of what is being taught in the class. A lot of information is common sense.
 
In NC half the class was over state law, the other half was the Basic NRA Pistol. There was a government produced film showing different situations, it was actually pretty informative.
 
We only have to take the NRA basic class here in ct. With the people I was in class with, I'm grateful for the requirement. I was amazed at the basic lack of knowledge. But for the most part the class is a joke. They practically give you the answers for the test. Though it did take one guy 40 minutes to complete.
 
Two things to keep in mind: 1) Just because you are lawfully permitted to "stand your ground" does not mean you should actually do so. When it is strategically possible, flight is often your best strategy. 2) Don't go anywhere with your gun you would not go without it (well, except maybe the range!)

Beyond those, spend a lot of time in the "Strategies and Tactics" forum here, and keep up your training, even if it is on your own. Mindset-training is crucial; it's not just about marksmanship and weapons-handling.
Good luck!
 
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In NC half the class was over state law, the other half was the Basic NRA Pistol. There was a government produced film showing different situations, it was actually pretty informative.
"Hey there, Billy. Want to take a break from that fine lead-based paint, and learn about concealed carry?"
-"Boy, would I!"
 
Thanks guys. I'm definitely trying to stay out of a situation if at all possible. And I won't go anywhere with a gun that I wouldn't got without one. Where I go is generally pretty safe (although I know crap can happen anywhere). If somebody cuts me off in traffic, so be it. I'm not going to provoke somebody who is already agitated. If somebody gets in my face screaming I cut them off, I'll apologize and ask them to explain what I "did" so I know not to do it again. My immediate goal is to be able to carry my guns to a range or hunting area without having to worry if they are concealed, not concealed, locked properly, unavailable to the driver, etc. I'll probably carry concealed all the time but I'm considering any weapon to be a tactic of last resort. Avoid and flee are my preferences.
 
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Mandatory training courses rarely have any useful content for someone capable of reading the material on their own.
Don't bother arguing, just get the certificate and move on, get real training some other time.

And don't bother bringing anything beyond the minimum requirement for hardware, if it has a shooting portion - again, you're there to get a certificate, not light off your biggest loudenboomer rounds - you might as well shoot with a target pistol if it flies for the class/permit.
 
I would like to see the classes spend more time on what to do after you get in a shooting
& you come out the winner. Our class never spent any time on what do you do & what happens after a shooting.
 
I hope that they cover the ins and outs of CC, such as how to wear and draw your gun. I hope they cover when to shoot, how to shoot, and what to do after.

This may not be the case. If it is not the case do you own research. Talk to and train with as many qualified people as you can. Read good books (2 good ones to start with: "In the Gravest Extreme" and "The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry" both by Massad Ayoob), and watch relevant DVDs and such.

A lot of the concealed carry subtleties can only be learned through years of personal experience.
 
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Oregon required a basic carry law class that wasn't all that informative for one like me who'd already read the pertinent stuff from the state's internet website. It was a chance to discuss a couple of regulations that weren't perfectly clear and the instructor did have some good suggestions on concealed carry that weren't on the curriculum. Here the class cost $25 and lasted about four hours or a bit less. I didn't consider it a loss and for quite a few people there I'm glad they attended as some didn't have a clue. I wonder who they'll hit if they ever have to draw and fire too for that matter. Seems like a lot of folks get a permit, put a loaded pistol in their pocket and that's it. For those of us who do shoot a lot and are interested in firearms the permit may be of use, for those who think a handgun is an appliance like a telephone there will be little benefit for them to carry anything other than a club.
 
When I got my CO permit, I was actually kind of shocked that when I went to pick it up it was just a matter of "sign here, here's your permit, have a nice day!" Yeah, I had to take a class first, which wasn't terribly impressive or informative, but I figured when I actually picked it up at the Sheriff's Office there would at least be 5 or 10 minutes of "now looky here boy, let's go over the 'thou shalls",the 'thou shalt nots', and the 'thou shalt NEVERS' about having a CWP and carrying a gun. But, nothing.

I really was expecting at least some kind of briefing or talking to, even an interview where they looked me over suspiciously, but nada. It was so easy and informal it actually kinda freaked me out a little. Even after taking the class (which was more of an ego tour of the instructor's life, with a little info tossed in), when I had the permit in my hand I felt kind of naked and vulnerable. Kinda hard to explain, really. I mean, I took the class, applied for the permit, was approved, and received it.....but now what? That's it? This is all there is to it?

I've since figured out that carrying a gun with a permit is a never-ending self-taught class and quest for knowledge, just to learn what you can and can't do, and shouldn't EVER do.

Main thing I can suggest is that you NEVER forget that you're NOT a cop, and you're NOT a superhero, you're NOT given a permit to fight crime, and you're NOT responsible to protect everyone else. It's only to protect yourself, your family members, other persons in your immediate party who may be in danger, and in extreme cases....total strangers who are in immediate and imminent danger of extreme harm.

In other words, unless a bad guy appears VERY likely to hurt or kill someone immediately, don't try to be a hero! Somebody's robbing the 7-11 and you're there, let him rob the place and leave if at all possible. If he's pistol-whipping the clerk or shooting up the place, that's a different story. Trying to herd everyone into the cooler, different story.

Couple guys fist-fighting outside a bar, go the other direction. Some drunk wanting to fight with YOU, get away from him. Some drunk wanting to fight with you, and he's got a knife or broken bottle? Different story, but you'd better make every effort you can to NOT shoot him.

In other words, always be ready, willing and able to use your gun, but make every possible effort to avoid it. There's a hair-fine line between hesitating enough to avoid a tragedy that shouldn't have happened, and hesitating too much and ending up the loser.

IMO, every situation will be different, and it will always be a judgement call. Even if drawing and firing is the right thing to do and unavoidable, it WILL change your life forever! And most likely not for the better.

Just the way I see things, I'm sure there's a million other opinions better than mine. I carry to protect me and mine, but I damn sure don't want to make a mistake and ruin my life either.

And when the cops arrive, I'd advise you to NOT be the man with the gun in your hand if at all possible!
 
I've since figured out that carrying a gun with a permit is a never-ending self-taught class and quest for knowledge, just to learn what you can and can't do, and shouldn't EVER do.

Excellent point. :)

OP, get thee to a class one weekend. Things that Tom Givens, John Farnum and others like them teach are your missing links.
 
We only have to take the NRA basic class here in ct. With the people I was in class with, I'm grateful for the requirement. I was amazed at the basic lack of knowledge. But for the most part the class is a joke. They practically give you the answers for the test. Though it did take one guy 40 minutes to complete.
I had the same experiance. The only thing taking the class did for me was get me started on the CCW. Plus I learned that my shooting ability had greatly deteriorated over the years and I needed a much more practical CCW gun.
 
Thanks again, guys. I have no intention of being a hero (not that I won't protect my wife, my children, myself and someone clearly innocent). I want to avoid that situation if at all possible. If anything I tend to act too slowly rather than too fast. I've ordered Mayoob's book and will read that carefully. I'll stay on the lookout for good classes. I'm going to pace myself. I've gone 56 years with only one instance where I needed a gun (and if I had listened to my gut to run, I wouldn't have needed it.) Hopefully, I can go the rest of my life without needing a gun for protection. Thanks again.
 
My initial class in Texas was about the subtleties and nuances of the law concerning handguns in Texas. I learned considerably more about self defense from reading Massad Ayoob's books than I did in the class. I grew up shooting firearms which is fortunate because I learned absolutely nothing about shooting in the class. The instructors assumed we knew how to shoot or we wouldn't be there. Most did, but some should have practiced more or taken up some other form of self defense.
 
I would like to see the classes spend more time on what to do after you get in a shooting
& you come out the winner. Our class never spent any time on what do you do & what happens after a shooting.
I'll third Ben86 and macadore, and recommend Mas Ayoob's writings. Books, columns in Guns, American Handgunner, Combat Handguns magazines, and you can ask him a question directly on Glocktalk.com.
 
Basically, most of what I learned (15-ish years ago) in the Virginia class was that my Dad was right about what he taught me about gun safety when I was age 12-ish... but it was a good experience since I had never had "formal" instruction before. I also figured out from what wasn't covered something a lot of folks have already said ... that this kind of course is insufficient training for many, many factors and situations in the real world.
 
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