When you get to Ca the rule is locked case with ammo separate.
When will the misinformation stop!
That is not the law. The law is it is illegal to have a concealed handgun under 12025, and numerous exemptions in subsections and in 12026 exist. Those exemptions make the entire statute of PC12025 which outlaws any concealment whatsoever not apply.
There is an enhancement for a violation of PC12025 that has to do with ammunition, so if the handgun is illegaly concealed and not in a locked container, and as a result an exemption to PC12025is not met PC12025 is in effect and the ammunition triggers an enhancement for someone from out of state (because the gun is not in the CADOJ.) They would then meet the two criteria necessary for enhancement.
The primary exemption used to bypass PC12025 is a locked container which triggers an exemption to the entire statute. (The trunk can count on vehciles with an enclosed trunk but a seperate locked container is still recommended for transport from the vehicle.)
Once the handgun is placed in a locked container it is exempt from PC12025. Period. PC12025 is no longer in effect when an exemption to the statute is met. It exempts someone from violations of PC12025, but even so PC12025 does not require any type of storage of ammunition, it outlaws concealment of handguns.
Having ammunition in the same container is not in anyway referenced in PC12025 and case law has made it clear what loaded is under PC12025 and PC12031.
The only way that is illegal in a locked container is if the definition of loaded under PC12031 is met.
To qualify under that the ammunition must be in a position from which it can be fired, which is explained in case law. It does not include loaded detached magazines, which is why people can legaly carry unloaded firearms with loaded magazines openly. The round has to be inside the firearm. If the magazine is inserted into the firearm then it would be a violation of PC12031, and could bring additional punishments under PC12025 if PC12025 is also violated.
However even in that situation the mere fact that it is in a locked container means PC12025 is non existant because an exemption is met even if PC12031 is illegaly violated.
So once it is in a locked container all you need to not violate is PC12031.
Now there is other states that do require the ammunition and the firearm be transported seperately. Including some places thought of as having more freedom. Kansas right in the middle of our nation for example has such a requirement.
Please go up to my previous post and read the law, then read the case law. There is absolutely no requirement that ammunition not be in the same locked container with the firearm or even in a locked container at all, as long as it is not loaded into the firearm or a "position from which it can be fired"
as defined under case law (which under case law is inside a fixed magazine, the cylinder of a revolver, inside a detachable magazine
while it is inside the magazine well, or in the chamber, or for black powder arms when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.)
There has been some issues with violation of PC12025 by concealing a loaded magazine while open carrying a handgun. However if in a locked container an exemption to PC12025 is met, so no violation of PC12025 is possible. So then you just need to not violate PC12031, and if the magazine is not inside the gun there is no violation.
You can store ammunition in the same container and as long as the container is locked PC12025 has an exemption met and is no longer in effect (otherwise any concealment even in a locked container would be a violation) As long as an exemption to PC12025 is met PC12025 and any text in it does not apply in any way.
The firearm itself cannot be loaded or it violates PC12031.
But being from out of state you should get by with the Federal transport law.
Wrong again. The transport law does not apply to the destination of a trip. The transport law also requires more secure storage for exemption when it is in effect than is even required under CA state law.
If you read the law it requires the firearm is legal in the destination to be exempt from state laws in between, and that once you significantly deviate from simply passing through a state you are subject to thier laws because it has become a destination.
So unless passing through the North East portion of CA on your way to Oregon or Washington the federal law would not apply. Since it takes up the entire Southwest coast there is no way anyone heading to southern CA is just passing through or could make that argument.
Are you heading out to sea on your trip? Going to Hawaii? Mexico sure is not your legal roadtrip destination with the firearm. So the Federal exemption does not apply to someone in Southern CA.
They are not passing through, southern CA is a destination of thier trip.
