I see many women at the range. A few weeks ago I met a man there who was 69 years old. His mom was there and she was 91. She was shooting at pop cans at 15yrds with a S&W Model 17 and hitting them. Anothe man I know brings his 13 y.o. daughter to the range. She can take my 6" Python and warm .357 loads and make pop cans dance at 50 yrds.
CCW class update, women afraid of guns
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Nushif
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I really hate to say this, especially should it happen to be true. I'm all for making people feel appreciated and letting others know of some great shooting achievements and all.
But frankly at 50 yards (that's slightly less than 50 meters) I'd have trouble making out a pop can well enough to acquire it as a target over iron sights. And I do have 20/20 vision with my glasses on.
So should this be true (which again I don't neccesarily doubt) how on earth does someone get the skills for this? I've seen some extreme examples like the 100 yard waterbottle shot with a snubby but this guy is a pro. As in ... he spends most of his day actively shooting.
Simply put I have not ever seen some of the stunts people are describing in real life from anything other than a pro shooter of at least twenty years.
bullseye308
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My (soon to be ex)wife used to get treated like that at the range till she pulled our GP-100 6" 357 out and loaded it up then put a smiley face on the target with full power reloads. Nothing shuts them up like that. 
We shopped around for a carry piece and I got her a 357 2" snub for valentines day, and she was real good with it too and shut up some folks at the range.
I really enjoyed taking her to the gun shop looking for her a gun. I'd wander off and let her look and listen. They tried to sell her a 380 and she told them nothing less than a 357 would do for her. Once they reaalised she was my wife and knew we had been shooting for years they let her pick. We had a long discussion after that with them and how not to stereotype people.
We shopped around for a carry piece and I got her a 357 2" snub for valentines day, and she was real good with it too and shut up some folks at the range. I really enjoyed taking her to the gun shop looking for her a gun. I'd wander off and let her look and listen.
They tried to sell her a 380 and she told them nothing less than a 357 would do for her. Once they reaalised she was my wife and knew we had been shooting for years they let her pick. We had a long discussion after that with them and how not to stereotype people.zxcvbob
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Nushif,
Some people just have a natural talent. Others can't tell the difference between feet and yards, especially when it makes the story better. I'm not going to presume which is the case here
Some people just have a natural talent. Others can't tell the difference between feet and yards, especially when it makes the story better. I'm not going to presume which is the case here
Nushif
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It just confuses the hell out of me.
When I go to the range and bug people for advice on tightening my groups and they look at my 7 yard target they tell me "I can't help ya bud. I see no problem." and look genuinely perplexed.
But on the other hand I hear about these feats, which essentially means they should be telling me "Were you using your sights?"
I know there's a range in shooting, in terms of outcome, but man ... it can't possibly be that huge! Especially not in novices.
Am I missing something here? Because I am really confused as to what makes a "good" or "baseline" group.
When I go to the range and bug people for advice on tightening my groups and they look at my 7 yard target they tell me "I can't help ya bud. I see no problem." and look genuinely perplexed.
But on the other hand I hear about these feats, which essentially means they should be telling me "Were you using your sights?"
I know there's a range in shooting, in terms of outcome, but man ... it can't possibly be that huge! Especially not in novices.
Am I missing something here? Because I am really confused as to what makes a "good" or "baseline" group.
Don't want to see this one hijacked, here is a thread along those lines: "Average" is how good, exactly?
If that isn't what you're asking exactly then start a new thread.
Nushif
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Wetz! If need be a mod could move that whole line of conversation there, too.
mustang_steve
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Yes, mouseguns are a BAD first option for any shooter...tough to aim, muzzle control is far more difficult due to more rapid muzzle flip and lighter weight, maintenance is far higher, etc. However in the defensive world, they're practically a must. Not everyone can practically conceal a full-size 1911, hi-power, or other large pistol.
I'm hoping the instructor just said that because some people come in with bigger firearms than they practice with and have some troubles. I've seen people who've never shot before in the CCW class I took try to do their live fire portion with a .357mag they literally picked up from the gun shop the day before....that was simply a fail moment.
Either way, the comment was not appropriate for a SD course.
I'm hoping the instructor just said that because some people come in with bigger firearms than they practice with and have some troubles. I've seen people who've never shot before in the CCW class I took try to do their live fire portion with a .357mag they literally picked up from the gun shop the day before....that was simply a fail moment.
Either way, the comment was not appropriate for a SD course.
mustang_steve
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For how to get good groups:
1) find your dominant eye....how you do this is simple: go play darts....try using one eye to aim, then the other. The one that works best is your dominant eye.
2) find which hand is most comfortable handling the firearm. For me it's NOT my dominant hand, I shoot goofy-eyed.
3)learn how to control your breathing, full breath in then half breath out, hold and squeeze trigger is the proper form.
4) take up a hobby that will improve your dexterity. nimble but strong hands and strong wrists/forearms are great things for a shooter to have.
5) it's not the gear
6) it's not the gear
7) IT'S NOT THE FREAKING GEAR (it's all you buddy)
1) find your dominant eye....how you do this is simple: go play darts....try using one eye to aim, then the other. The one that works best is your dominant eye.
2) find which hand is most comfortable handling the firearm. For me it's NOT my dominant hand, I shoot goofy-eyed.
3)learn how to control your breathing, full breath in then half breath out, hold and squeeze trigger is the proper form.
4) take up a hobby that will improve your dexterity. nimble but strong hands and strong wrists/forearms are great things for a shooter to have.
5) it's not the gear
6) it's not the gear
7) IT'S NOT THE FREAKING GEAR (it's all you buddy)
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