Century Arms AK Questions

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My dealer is getting some Century Arms AK-47's. I think they are Romanian. New. The wood furniture is pretty primative, but they do include a 30 round mag.

They want about 350 bucks for it. It appears to be an honest AK.

Is that a good price? Are these Century Arms AKs robust? I don't care much about their accuracy, I just want them to work.

Fellow THR members, let me know your opinions.

I want this rifle to plink with - nothing more. And I don't want to clean it often either.
 
Make sure they are SAR1s and not WSAR1s.

WSAR1s are converted for double stack magazines by century with guns originally designed as single stack magazine rifles. As such they are worth less than the original SAR1s. Quality of the work on the conversion will also differ.

My SAR1 is about the only weapon in my collection that I know will shoot each and every time I pull the trigger. Just make sure you do a good function check prior to firing the rifle. Mine came doing double taps from Century. A call to Century got me a new lower parts package sent to my home.

Good Shooting
Red
 
First, just get one--they are really fun.

Second, pick up a copy of Shotgun news and you'll see several places that are selling them for $279-$289. But you'll need a local FFL for the transfer, and that will cost $20 on up. You will save on sales tax, however. And you can't check out the gun first, which is definitely helpful with an SAR.

Third, I don't want to take on Redlg155, but I'm pretty happy with my WASR. If you have a choice, you should probably get the SAR, but the WASR is just fine, in my opinion. Just make sure it accepts hi-cap mags.

Add up the costs and make a decision. But you absolutely want to get one. Personally, I'd spend an extra $30 or $40 to support a local dealer, but that's your decision.
 
$350 is not out of line for a store. They sell for around $325-$330 at gunshows here, $350 isn't out of line at all. By the time you figure in shipping, transfer fee, etc you aren't doing a whole lot better by getting it online/mail order with alot more hassle...

If they are the hiccap WASRs it's not quite as good a deal since they are cheaper. But ask around to people that own them and you'll find there is nothing wrong with a WASR at all...
 
not a bad price (for an SAR-1) but I think I would try to get another 30 rounder out of the deal (they should not cost him that much)
 
Go with YZ's advice. I got a SAR1 with a 10, 30 & 40 mag for $285. Then $20 transfer and $20 more shipping. Cut a deal with your guy, mags are cheap for him, free is good for you! You will be amazed at the interest it draws whenever people see it. Watch out for AR15 people. Something about an AK just gets them fired up! :rolleyes: :neener:
 
350 isn't bad, support your local dealer! Don't bother cleaning it, just towel it off when you get it. The big advantage of buying in a store is that you can hand pick your rifle...underneath the terrible varnish can be surprisingly nice wood!

Also, check out -



Romanian AK forum

Check out the links at the top of the forum, and then check out the rest of AK-47.net.
 
One other thing to check for is canted front sights. Century build a few of 'em with the front sight base crooked. If you get one that way, you won't have enough windage to get on target.

To check, sight down the barrel and make sure that the front sight post is properly alighed to the barrel and gas tube and gas block.

If you have a stright one, you have a fine rifle.
 
I do support my local dealer. And he, in return, is always honest with me, and a friend as well. Thanks folks for verifiying a fair price in that regard.

My dealer had one that they just sold, it was boxed up for the 1 day waiting period required by my state. They kindly un-boxed it to show it to me. That was nice of them. Again - service is worth the little bit of extra money. Sometime, I will post how they took an over an hour to set me up with the proper target bow.

I thought the Romanian Century AK balanced well. The trigger was decent. They are ordering a few more, and when they get them, I will check it out as some of you suggested. 100 yard combat accuracy is all I expect. The target supplied with that gun had a 1" group at 25 yards. Although rough and ugly, it did not in anyway feel cheap.

I have so many fine guns that I sort of fall in love with, and become fond of. I know that is weird, but it is my nature. I hesitate sometimes to shoot these weapons, because afterwards, I must clean and baby them, and I am a lazy person, so I disdain this practice.

I want a rifle I can abuse like a skinny in Somalia or an Iraqi grunt in the desert, and the AK seems to fit that bill.

Thanks all fellow THR's for the usual great advise.
 
SAR-1 synopsis (a tad long)

I ordered my SAR-1 in mid-May from Sarco, and I believe it was on sale at about $274 & shipping. Mine is 2003 production. Finish and wood were right decent for a contemporary European military arm. For someone used to Sigs & Remingtons, the sights, trigger and stock were horrendous; front sight looked like a stack of old tires with an off-center glob on top. Rear sight had burr edges that interfered with sighting in bright light. Shouldering the rifle in normal fashion resulted in the toe of the butt digging into the top of the shoulder. The first range session was NOT an exercise in benchrest accuracy, but a couple of cold barrel, 3-shot groups got down around 3" @ 100 yards with Wolf hardball. This gun HATED Wolf HP, and disliked Norinco softpoint. As the gun heated the groups would open to around 6". I used a couple more mags plinking old clay birds and dirt clods, and then shot 20 into a bullseye just to see where the general group was. It was, uh, on the paper. This debacle occurred at a public range where my handgun groups (.44 Redhawk) are usually well under 6", from the 100 yard bench. I was hoping that nobody who knew me was watching this....

Just as I was becoming frustrated beyond belief and asking myself what in the hell I wanted with this thing in the first place, 'Bubba' walked up and sez "Watur you shootin' that thing at a hunnerd yards for? Them'r made for hittin' man-sized targets at mebbe 50 yards." I said "Thanks for that tidbit of fireams information, but if it's got a stock and costs $300, it either shoots 3 minutes or it's a boat anchor. You got a boat? Wanna buy it?"

"You been here a lot longer than 3 minutes, and that thang ain‘t jammed.. Are you hittin' enything?" I handed him my binos and he seemed amazed that there was a (sort of) 8" total group in the vicinity of the bull. I had just busted my second $10 'sight adjusting tool' and was packing up. But Bubba was right- 100 rounds had been expended, and it never jammed.

A few days later, I went back for another stab at getting this thing to shoot. The first day had been overcast, but the second attempt was on a clear, sunny day. Glare danced all over the sights and the groups were, well, pretty sorry. My eyes are nearly 47 years old but I can still shoot way better than what I was getting. About 50 more rounds went downrange, and amazingly I was hitting objects with it far better than bullseyes...- and still no jams.

I have since straightened the canted gas block, which oddly enough seems to have cured the rifles tendency to scatter shots as the barrel heats up. I guess all that weird plumbing hanging off the barrel needs to be fairly straight, or it torques on the skinny little barrel when the thing gets hot. I also spent a good deal of time building a proper sight adjusting tool, after which I unscrewed the miserable front post and turned it in a drill until it looked like a post. While the drill was warm I grabbed an old swivel mount, and turned it down to a makeshift aperture. I then carefully ground a groove in the rear sight to match my new invention, and JB-welded the works together. A quick polish and cold blue later, and you’d almost think it was factory. The aperture is a tad oversize, but hey- AK rear sights are dirt cheap, and this was an experiment.

The trigger was worked over per the excellent tutorial available at http://linx310.nothingbutguns.com/marking.htm and the results were well worth the effort. Take-up feels like a normal military trigger now, and the second stage still has some creep (I ain’t done with it yet, either) but it is MUCH more shootable. Last and perhaps most importantly, I cut a fine Dremel stone to the proportions that matched what I thought the crown should resemble, and went to work on the barrel. Once I had the crown square I attached 400 and 600 crocus cloth and finished the crown to a mirror finish. More cold blue was applied, and a good supply of Barnaul ‘Silver Bear’ was appropriated at a decent price.... back to the range for another go.

Once adjusted, the sights were a big improvement. targets of all descriptions were much easier to acquire, and the hits were quicker and easier, thanks to the slimmer dimensions of the remodeled front post. Groups hovered at 3†with the barrel hot or cold, and the POI stayed remarkably consistent. Old cans and clay birds were DEAD. Three, five shot groups (from dead cold to hot) all stayed within 5â€. I let the gun cool, and shot a pair of careful, 3-shot groups. Two shots about an inch apart on both, and each group had a flyer. The best was about 2â€, the worst 3.5â€. The gun was probably shooting better than I was, and I determined that at least it had enough potential to mount a scope and see what it’ll really do. A stock designed for humans and a better trigger are sure to help even more. I may even ditch the homemade aperture in favor of one of Kreb’s apertures. I’ll let you know how it goes when the right combination of scope and mount are decided upon.

My teenage sons had been waiting patiently, so I set up a menagerie of plinking targets (old cans, clay birds and water bottles etc.) at 25 and 50 yards, and gave them a magazine apiece. These boys are good shots and they took down everything they tried in 1-2 shots; ran old Dad ragged keeping targets set up for them.

Overall, I am very happy with my little SAR-1. The round count is up around 500 now, and it hasn’t even hinted at a malfunction. Ammo is cheap and it shoots up to my standards for a fightin’ rifle. By all accounts the Wolf 154 grain softpoint shoots way better than typical 7.62x39 ammo, and it just may get this particular gun under 2â€, but this remains to be seen. Even with Barnaul ball, you wouldn’t want to put your cell phone up at 100 yards, and give a decent shot a chance at it. It has officially been designated as my SHTF rifle.

If you don’t mind working the bugs out yourself, they’re a lot of rifle for the money.
 
Sarge,

Excellent story and advise. Thanks for taking the time to post such detailed information to help an AK neophyte. It's folks like you that make this forum so valuable.

Well, I am certainly, now going to get one, if anything, just for fun!
 
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