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Which of these should I buy for those days in the week when I'm feeling like I must have a .308 for home defense instead of my AR or AK? (Of course, I always keep the 12 ga.)
Saiga is nice, but I voted Cetme for the availability and cost of magazines.
Only plastic magazines are available for the Saiga .308 and while they appear to hold up reasonably well, they've not been on the market for all that long.
I voted Saiga. I don't have one in .308, but I have the .223 and the 7.62x39. Both are far more reliable than my buddy's Setme. If there's a difference in accuracy it is indistinguishable with open sights.
Cetme are kit guns and don't really have a reputation of much or any advantages over the saiga in terms of accuracy or reliability. The saiga mags is an issue though. I have saiga 7.62x39 and a S12 and like them both a lot.
I'd say SAIGA out of the two. Saiga is an exceptional value for the money. The CETME can be hit or miss, because of how and by whom they're assembled, and can be a pain to get to run reliably unless you get a good kit.
But for a few hundred more than a CETME, you could go for DPMS .308 AR. R&R has an A3 NIB for just a smidgeon under 900 IIRC.
As was stated, CETME's sold here are assembled from pieces, mostly used pieces, and are not likely to be nearly reliable for self-defense. If you really like the concept, get a PTR-91 instead, which is most/all new parts and very reliable.
Either one (CETME or -91) is hard on brass, but not so much from the fluted chamber as from the incredibly violent ejection.
If price were not an issue, I would view a 16" FN-FAL as tops for reliability and handiness. I wouldn't complain about an AR-10 type either. But I think the Saiga is a good gun for significantly less $$.
Well, depends on whether or not you're going to build the saiga .308 yourself. Looking at the prices for a converted S-308, it's not worth the 900+ dollars. At the same time I would steer far clear of the Cetme. I don't trust Century worth a bit (which is most Cetmes on the market) and the ones I've seen in gunstores looked ratty.
The CETME rifles built by Century were not good. The Saigas are well made, relatively accurate, firearms that most likely will work properly right out of the box.
That's the problem. Design wise, the CETME is a fine rifle, and probably more accurate than the Saiga. If the build quality on CETME's was good, they'd be the cat's meow, and this comes from an FAL guy. Yet, with bad build on so many of them, lemons are more likely than lemonade.
The PTR is a great rifle from what I understand, but considerably more expensive, pricey enough that I would recommend a FAL first. Yet, FAL is not in the poll above so I don't.
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