Ginormous
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Jim147, are these similar to what you are describing?
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Orvis makes some pretty cool looking gloves.
Chainfire, yay.
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Jim147, are these similar to what you are describing?
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Orvis makes some pretty cool looking gloves.
madcratebuilder
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Glad you and the gun survived with only minor damage.
The nomex flight gloves do give you an excellent feel, the palm and inside of the fingers are a very soft, thin leather. They wear very well to, I have been using the same pair since 1967!
The nomex flight gloves do give you an excellent feel, the palm and inside of the fingers are a very soft, thin leather. They wear very well to, I have been using the same pair since 1967!
Ginormous
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AussieTH an/or madcratebuilder, can one of you point me to the style of "flight gloves" you speak so highly of?
Everything I am Googling looks like something a U2 pilot would wear!
Everything I am Googling looks like something a U2 pilot would wear!
madcratebuilder
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MCgunner
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I'm wondering how often this actually occurs? Like I say, I've been shooting cap and ball (not regularly, I admit) for 35 years and have never had it happen. I ain't lookin' forward to the first occurrence, I can tell ya that!
DrLaw
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Modern learning. Had German language classes for 4 years in high school and 3 in college and I still had to look that up. 
The Doc is humbled now.
The Doc is humbled now.
Ginormous
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madcratebuilder - thanks for link. Those are exactly like the ones I saw before. They do look like major overkill to me. Heh, i just cannot see that getup inspiring others to join me in my interests at the gun range. In fact, they may move DOWN a few lanes when i put those on! 
MCgunner - Once was enough! I am definitely getting the improved Tresso AMPCO nipples described by AdmiralB for both my guns. I'll turn them down if necessary to ge the proper fit. And I'm seriously considering wearing shooting gloves. Upon reflection, things could definitely have played out much worse.
DrLaw - hah! No need to be humbled, I cheated by using a German to English translation website.
MCgunner - Once was enough! I am definitely getting the improved Tresso AMPCO nipples described by AdmiralB for both my guns. I'll turn them down if necessary to ge the proper fit. And I'm seriously considering wearing shooting gloves. Upon reflection, things could definitely have played out much worse.
DrLaw - hah! No need to be humbled, I cheated by using a German to English translation website.
Ginormous, glad you weren't hurt more severely!!! I've only had one gun that ever chainfired, it was an older no-name brasser in 36cal. There was so much play in the cylinder that when shooing a round, a nipple got slammed back into the recoil shield in one spot. Like your's it was one away from the intended shot ball. Luckily though, I didn't have anything more serious than being startled happen to me. Do me a favor before you shoot it again....check for cylinder slop.
Ginormous
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Good idea sltm1. I am looking at now, but everything seems to be fine, rotational play is nil, lateral play is nil, and cylinder shake fore to aft is nil.
I honestly think a cap fell off a nipple and some of the hot gasses were able to ignite the donkey's end of the now nekkid cylinder. Believe me, I have looked this gun over more in the past 2 days than in the entire 4 months I have owned it.
This Dragoon is still nice and tight, and it should be, it's had less than 300 rounds fired through it. Just a bare few were the 50 gr thunder boomer variety too. Most were in the lower to mid 30-40 gr range.
I honestly think a cap fell off a nipple and some of the hot gasses were able to ignite the donkey's end of the now nekkid cylinder. Believe me, I have looked this gun over more in the past 2 days than in the entire 4 months I have owned it.
This Dragoon is still nice and tight, and it should be, it's had less than 300 rounds fired through it. Just a bare few were the 50 gr thunder boomer variety too. Most were in the lower to mid 30-40 gr range.
AussieTH
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Hmmmm! I had not thought much about the appearance side. I am not really into that sort of thing and I wear the gloves all the time when flying so no longer really notice them. The gloves do not look quite so outlandish when being worn though.
I particularly like the extensive wrist protection that they give.
For those really into authenticity then take heart! An early 21st century burn looks exactly like a mid 19th century burn so you can be as authentic as all get out!
I particularly like the extensive wrist protection that they give.
For those really into authenticity then take heart! An early 21st century burn looks exactly like a mid 19th century burn so you can be as authentic as all get out!
Ginormous
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That is perhaps the most compelling argument I have ever seen for wearing hand protection while firing BP weapons. Makes the decision easier when put that way.
Thanks AussieTH!
AussieTH
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Yeah, well! Without trying to make a major drama out of all this – here are a few more ‘user views’ and some data.
The flying gloves are a foot long (30cm) from tip of middle finger to the cuff of the glove – so give a lot of coverage protection. I will try and arrange some ‘user pics’ but do not hold your breath as I currently have aircraft all over the place to work on.
I personally felt that hand protection was important. I do a lot of writing (typing technical manuals etc) so my hands remaining in good shape sort of helps make things happen. You also need hands for other purposes and mine are no longer crash hot to start with. I have had surgery on one and now need surgery on the other. I do not need more surgery caused by a ‘sporting interest’ and these early BP things are pretty wild affairs at the best of times.
I have now developed a passion for BP revolving carbines and so need the protection while I sort out a shooting stance for the ’58 Cattleman, Root revolving carbine and the new ‘Walker LRE’ – particularly the latter as the Walker is a damn big evil thing to start with and naturally will have to be fired at up to 60 grains (at least now and then) in the carbine version. There will be crap flying in all directions at the best of times without thinking of a chain fire!
Gin’s graphic photos demonstrate how far back the ‘event’ travels even on a straight revolver (albeit a Dragoon which is pretty big to start with).
So – stuff looks – I will hang onto my pinkies thanks!
The flying gloves are a foot long (30cm) from tip of middle finger to the cuff of the glove – so give a lot of coverage protection. I will try and arrange some ‘user pics’ but do not hold your breath as I currently have aircraft all over the place to work on.
I personally felt that hand protection was important. I do a lot of writing (typing technical manuals etc) so my hands remaining in good shape sort of helps make things happen. You also need hands for other purposes and mine are no longer crash hot to start with. I have had surgery on one and now need surgery on the other. I do not need more surgery caused by a ‘sporting interest’ and these early BP things are pretty wild affairs at the best of times.
I have now developed a passion for BP revolving carbines and so need the protection while I sort out a shooting stance for the ’58 Cattleman, Root revolving carbine and the new ‘Walker LRE’ – particularly the latter as the Walker is a damn big evil thing to start with and naturally will have to be fired at up to 60 grains (at least now and then) in the carbine version. There will be crap flying in all directions at the best of times without thinking of a chain fire!
Gin’s graphic photos demonstrate how far back the ‘event’ travels even on a straight revolver (albeit a Dragoon which is pretty big to start with).
So – stuff looks – I will hang onto my pinkies thanks!
Ginormous
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Pics are always good AussieTH. Thanks for filling in the blanks on the Nomex flight gloves.
jim147
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I looked today but couldn't find my pair of gloves.
The style looks more like the top pair but mine are very thin like the bottom pair look. The leather was worked to be very supple and left white. A pair that fits you hands let you pick up about anything and is no problem to get in and feel the trigger.
The style looks more like the top pair but mine are very thin like the bottom pair look. The leather was worked to be very supple and left white. A pair that fits you hands let you pick up about anything and is no problem to get in and feel the trigger.
Ginormous
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Well, until I find the perfect pair of gloves (and I will), my Mizuno Skintite golf glove will have to do.
Hopefully it helps my shooting handicap better than my golf handicap.
Hopefully it helps my shooting handicap better than my golf handicap.
krs
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Look in welding supply houses - they all sell nice looking deer or lambskin gloves for tig welding and they can be had in either regular length or guantlet lengths. Tig doesn't make high heat or spark levels so the gloves made for it can be thin and allow good dexterity. They'll protect but won't resist fire - seem to me almost the ideal solution here as many of them look pretty cool. That pun's for you
Tillman makes them, but there's nicer looking ones with their guantlets in the same material as the rest of the glove. Tig is a clean process so welders throw away contaminated gloves or use them for period weapon shooting if they are amongst us who know.....http://www.jtillman.com/products/?sid=3
They're so nice looking and soft and supple that I had to buy two pair in a the smallest size for my wife, who will never try tig welding out of her profound regard for things that make sparks and such.
These look nice - good enough for Errol Flynn....http://www.jtillman.com/products/?sid=8
For anyone who worries largely......http://www.jtillman.com/products/?SKU=5000
Tillman makes them, but there's nicer looking ones with their guantlets in the same material as the rest of the glove. Tig is a clean process so welders throw away contaminated gloves or use them for period weapon shooting if they are amongst us who know.....http://www.jtillman.com/products/?sid=3
They're so nice looking and soft and supple that I had to buy two pair in a the smallest size for my wife, who will never try tig welding out of her profound regard for things that make sparks and such.
These look nice - good enough for Errol Flynn....http://www.jtillman.com/products/?sid=8
For anyone who worries largely......http://www.jtillman.com/products/?SKU=5000
Ginormous
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Great idea krs. There are several welding supply houses nearby. I've added them to my places to look list. Thanks!
Ginormous
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As a side note to all of this, it appears as though BP burns get a double whammy. Something from the combustion by products makes healing rather slow to occur, even though I've washed, soaked, and treated the burned areas with antibiotic ointment meticulously. I wont post a photo, but let's just say several layers of skin later, and there are . . . umm . . . really red, parts of the dermis showing. On the premise that the same acidic combustion by products that cause rust on guns in the presence of water are affecting my skin the same way, I'm going to try soaking the burned areas in a bicarbonate of soda bath to neutralize any remaining acids in the wounds.
What started out as a simple burn, may not be so simple after all.
If it continues this way, I suspect a doctor's visit is in order. Bummer.
Jeez, be careful out there, BP burns aren't fun at all. CHECK THOSE CAPS!!!
What started out as a simple burn, may not be so simple after all.
If it continues this way, I suspect a doctor's visit is in order. Bummer.
Jeez, be careful out there, BP burns aren't fun at all. CHECK THOSE CAPS!!!
Shotgun Willy
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Burns suck in a major way. Sorry to hear it's not healing very quickly.
I knew they made shooting gloves and with some googling I found quite a few. Some are full finger, some with kevlar, etc.. Here's a link to some half finger that might do the trick.
http://www.uscav.com/prod_8548_tabid_548_True Trade Finger Shooting Gloves
I knew they made shooting gloves and with some googling I found quite a few. Some are full finger, some with kevlar, etc.. Here's a link to some half finger that might do the trick.
http://www.uscav.com/prod_8548_tabid_548_True Trade Finger Shooting Gloves
Elbert P . Suggins
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I wear the Nomex gloves every day in my business of cropdusting and I use up a pair a year. The leather is soft and retains sensitive touch but they don't take kindly to any gas or oil contamination which ruins them. My daughter is in the Air Force so she sends them to me free..
bigbadgun
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Back when I was a kid we used ropers gloves they were made from soft leather but they fit the hand real good and wernt to thick but did the job.
Glad your all right- scary thing
But I need to ask one small, probably silly question-
When I hear the term multiple discharge in respect to black powder I think a chain fire which I thought generally only occurs when the fire from the in battery chamber flashes over onto the breech side of an adjacent loaded chamber and is caused when that chamber(s) are not either Crisco'ed over or otherwise covered by a wonder wad type thing.
Is that what happened here?
Or as I am starting to understand was caused somehow by a spark hitting an uncovered/uncapped chamber?? FOr now I am assuming this is what happened- Probably going to cause more than a few to get those other kind of nipples (wink) me too-hahaha
The mere mention by one poster that the cylinder could have moved backwards setting off a capped chamber is a wee bit chilling!!
Sorry if I am a little thick on this subject.
But I need to ask one small, probably silly question-
When I hear the term multiple discharge in respect to black powder I think a chain fire which I thought generally only occurs when the fire from the in battery chamber flashes over onto the breech side of an adjacent loaded chamber and is caused when that chamber(s) are not either Crisco'ed over or otherwise covered by a wonder wad type thing.
Is that what happened here?
Or as I am starting to understand was caused somehow by a spark hitting an uncovered/uncapped chamber?? FOr now I am assuming this is what happened- Probably going to cause more than a few to get those other kind of nipples (wink) me too-hahaha
The mere mention by one poster that the cylinder could have moved backwards setting off a capped chamber is a wee bit chilling!!
Sorry if I am a little thick on this subject.
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Ginormous
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This is what I believed happened. The cylinder in battery fired, gasses from the cylinder in battery either from the breech end or escaping from the nipple, reached an adjacent cylinder in which a percussion cap had fallen off, resulting in a discharge of that out of battery cylinder.
The Dragoon was loaded as I described above, .457 Speer swagged round ball (which shaves a nice lead ring), RWS 1075 caps (which have always stayed on in the past), 35 gr Swiss 3FFFg BP, and a crisco/beeswax lube pill between the powder and ball.
And yes, I am definitely replacing the nipples on both of my revolvers with appropriate Tresso AMPCO nipples.
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