Changing Home Defense Tactics, need to maintain a safe environment

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Quote: "No trigger disconnect on the '97,it will fire each time you work the slide and hold the trigger down"

Boy, I like the sounds of that!!! How much would one of these cost nowadays, original and commie-copy?
 
Given the persistence of discussion about Hardware and not Software, this one is better suited to General...

lpl
 
I live in a small, cramped apartment with a lot of stuff in it, so a long gun is nearly worthless here unless you have nothing else.

I have a Concealed Handgun License (CHL), so I've almost always got a handgun on me or nearby.

I have no children, so I don't have to worry about people playing with loaded firearms when I'm not looking. One or two handguns are always out, with everything else, including long guns in the safe.

Use what suits YOUR particular situation.
 
Quote: "No trigger disconnect on the '97,it will fire each time you work the slide and hold the trigger down"
An Ithaca Model 37 will do the same thing, depending upon the particular model.

The Deer Slayer Police Special (which I have) will.
The Military & Police won't.
 
I have a crafty 7 year old and an 11 year old the sleep walks. Both are well trained in safety. My 11 year old actually nit picks adults and family outings if we end up shooting skeet or plinking. I've had family members get upset when he does this and criticize me for letting him politely critique safety techniques. I tell them they shouldn't be so careless around my child, to the point that he critiques them.

Still, they have friends, so all guns stay locked up. I keep a shoe box sized gunvault in my nightstand for my daily ccw piece.

It stays UNDER the pillow in it's holster gizmo so it's free to my hand, but no other.

I like the idea of that, but I have migraines from time to time and the medication gives me vivid dreams if taken before bedtime. I've woken up on the wrong end of the bed, the floor and I've even sat up and carried on incoherent conversations with my girlfriend while sound asleep. She learned to just let me go when I do this. She tried to wake me once. I was dreaming about a guy that was trying to choke her and rip her clothes off. When she put her hand on my shoulder to wake me, my mind must have been in "fight or flight" mode because I right crossed her so hard she fell out of bed and had a black eye for a week. :banghead: I've since switched meds under the doc's prescription but the vivid dreams, restless tossing and talking persists. I don't think it would be a good idea to sleep in such a manner with a gun under my pillow. :uhoh: I feel safer using a safe that requires me to be 90% coherent (fingertip combination job) to open.
 
Primary HD gun M&P 40 FS. It is always on me when awake. When in bed, I got one of those 1/4 circle corner shelves from Home Depot. it is 6 ft up the wall and my gun sits up there. Do not want little ones to reach it if they wander in at night.

Secondary, Remington 1100 12 gauge full loaded in the safe that my wife can get to and open in the dark rather quickly. On top of that we have a large canine speed bump which will go off before the home alarm does and buy us some time as well.

Another thing I do, I have bright exterior lighting (100 watt equivalent CF lighting) and the inside is kept dark, easy to see out, not so easy to see in.
 
If I had a young child in the house, I would go for a handgun with multiple safety features just to be extra safe.

I would have my gun out when I go to sleep but you never know when a little one will get up and start exploring.

I would look at a semi auto with a manual safety and maybe a grip safety also. I would think a child under 4 would have a hard time taking the safety off and holdng a grip safety down at the same time.

I know you are going to teach them no to touch and everything else but with little ones you can't be too safe. In my opinion.
 
I've got a microvault on each floor, one in the bedstand with loaded handgun, light and extra magazine / speed strip. I mounted a 870 on the wall in our family's safe room, using the mossberg loc-box.

I feel like I have my bases covered as best I can with a 3 year old and one on the way...
 
I keep a handgun in a GunVault. Access is very quick without the need for keys, and I have been using mine for about 10 years without any problems. To increase your access speed in the night, you could punch in the code when you go to bed, leaving it open as you sleep, and then close it during the day if the gun remains there. Personally, I feel this approach leaves too much room for an accident, but you have to weigh that out for yourself.

Also, if you want to keep a long gun handy for HD as well, choose something that is magazine fed, and keep a loaded mag in the GunVault, along with your loaded handgun. You'll just have to find what works for you, but I highly recommend putting safety ahead of quick access.
 
*Ding-Ding-Ding*

1911Tuner wrote:

My nightstand gun is a Model 10 Smith and standard velocity 158-grain lead SWC

Like I said, the firearm stuff is easy.

Now I used both Model 10 and Model 64's with 3" barrels being my preference with with Standard Velocity 158 grain lead semi wadcutters (no hollow point) for not only a dedicated home/office gun, also for CCW.

Like I said before, My concerns have been entering/exiting a structure and answering the door.
Oh, and getting to and from a conveyance. (Personal vehicle, taxi. Limo, bus...)

I have always been and always will be, a believer in dedicated .38spls and this standard pressure 158 gr loading.



I knew I liked that Tuner fella, he gots good tastes in gun-n-loads...*grin*
 
Now I used both Model 10 and Model 64's with 3" barrels being my preference with with Standard Velocity 158 grain lead semi wadcutters (no hollow point) for not only a dedicated home/office gun, also for CCW.

Yup. Yup. An underrated pistole' and ammo combo that's probably settled more issues than any other when it gets up close and personal. I also like the standard "Pencil" barrel for the balance and Magna stocks and the way they position the gun in my hand in a hurry for point-shoulder/point-index shootin'. Reckon that makes me and sm dinosaurs in this day of fire breathin' magnums and doublestack wonder nines and the like. One of the most wicked, deadly men with a handgun I ever saw carried a Model 10 or a Victory Model and nothing else for nearly 60 years. You would not want to put that particular old man in a corner and make him nervous. He could make that little revolver appear out of thin air.

Where ya been hidin' at, Steve?
 
I would never underestimate the effectiveness of a good ol' .38spl, I would probably carry mine more if I had known a little bit more at the time I bought it. I wasn't to inquisitive at the time and bought a five shot taurus at a fair price instead of the 6 shot smith airweiight I planned on getting. For me 6 rounds is the bare minimum for CCW and bedside. It does serve as a great purse gun for the little lady when I'm accompanying her, trail gun , truck gun, backup, etc...
 
My "go to" gun would be the one closest to me (usually my XD40). Of course, when at home, I also unlock the shotgun and ensure that it is never more than 8 feet away. In terms of the safe, at night, I remove the XD40 and leave my wifes loaded 9mm (with the safe open).

Now, I used to keep a Sig P220 (w/night sights) for HD, but this gun has been since relegated to an "occasional" shooter. Not because it is a bad gun, not at all. Rather, its due to the fact that my .40 simply has a higher capacity.

Now, in terms of "tactics," it really depends. If I have the time, I would certainly grab the shotgun. But, given that I live in relatively tight quarters, I may feel a bit more "mobile" with a handgun, should I feel like "exploring." Hence, I generally think of my shotgun as a "barricade"/"come and get me" type weapon.

Also, I have tried implementing night lights throughout the home, thus making sure things are well lit and in essence, avoiding the "need" for a weapon mounted light.

Regardless, I keep all of my "regularly used" weapons loaded. During the day, they are all locked up. As soon as I get home, I unlock both the shotgun and handgun safe. Of course, I do not have to worry about children yet. This would change everything.

In terms of children (at least very, very young children) all I can really offer is to always be aware of the weapons location and state, along with being as aware as possible of the childs location at all times. Given that your child is quite young, you still have a decent amount of options. But, if it would help, maybe try keeping the weapon on a nearby, yet elevated surface at night (outside of the childs reach, of course). This could also be implemented pretty much anytime you are at home (given no influx of guests, I suppose).

Of course, at least until you go to bed, you may also consider simply keeping the weapon on your person. This may sound extreme, but I personally know many "dads" that have chosen to do just this.
 
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Additional thoughts...

Having a home gun, that the smallest person, or one physically limited, that might have to employ it, can effectively use.

I personally know of too many members here on Staff, including Moderators, some with many hours of training that subscribe to this line of reasoning.

Small is not used in the derogatory context. Small may be just being small in stature such as a wife, teenager or even grandparent.

Physically Limited is not used in the derogatory context either.
(I do not choose to use the word "handicapped".) Nor does it apply only to someone with permanent limits.

i.e. Recovering from minor surgery, such as emergency appendectomy. Unexpected accidents, such as sprains, burns, cuts, etc.
Another often overlooked situation is that of expectant mothers.
Add, as one ages, arthritis can give a person some days as not as good as others.



This includes having a .22 rim-fire, in the event, one or a member of family, suffers a detached retina, or undergoes neck/back/shoulder surgery, and there is imposed, NO RECOIL orders from Physician, Surgeon and Physical Therapist.


The revolver, is a proven firearm. The .22 rim-fire allows one to get the correct basic fundamentals down, and these transfer to the center fire revolver.

i.e. Model 18s were used for training and practice, for officers using issued Model 10's.
Ditto for similar offerings by Colt.


Set-ups & Lessons
Today ya'll call these stages and training.

I still do as mentors shared with me.

I have done this at rim-fire matches, and center-fire matches.

First off, I don't do a timer, for a start, nor do I care for a time.
[This rattles folks from the get-go]

Gun is unloaded, as are speed loaders and magazines.
Shooter gets a sock, or similar, on weak hand.

Now some kind of threat is introduced.

Lesson(s):

What is the earliest signal they can pick up on?
How do they deal with the threat?
Did they survive the threat?

Often times the threat is one, that "gun" is not the best answer.
Often times the person ends up "dead" as they did not pick up a signal at all, or early enough. They immediately went to "gun".

Hint: It is much easier to make a revolver "hot", even if one handed. If nothing else, grabbing gun and ammo and stuffing in pocket for "in case" and being able to charge cylinders if need while at a "safe distance" or "taking prudent steps".

i.e.
I "may have" introduced the threat Fire. *wink*
So "gun" may not be the best tool. Still there is no harm in grabbing the Model 10 and six loose rounds as one deals with the threat of fire.

i.e. One set-up was the gun having to be separate from ammo on a trip, as the area just traveled through, was NO GUN. Ammo could not be in a magazine, or speed-loader or speed-strip.
As the occupant, injured, you had to deal with a threat at a Rest Stop.


I grew up with Veterans of Conflicts, and Polio Victims and "Interesting Persons".

There was no 911.
Heck, many folks did not have their own phone line, instead shared a "party-line".

Folks were self reliant, as they had to be. With chain gangs doing work, and correction facilities and railroad stops and...The nearest law enforcement person, might be on the other side of the county....

Will Fennel says: Focus on the target, not the equipment.

Well I was raised we focused on what threats there might be, and took prudent steps to allow us the earliest signal(s). Prevention plays a huge part in all this too.

Firearms, were whatever we had. Just we did "Set-Ups & Lessons" to replicate what HAD happened, and What Might happen.

Software not hardware.

Mindset, skillsets, then tool sets...
 
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Quote: "why only 15 rounds in your G17? It will hold 3 more."

I guess I figured since I keep it loaded 24/7 It would be a little more forgiving on the springs. I have heard it is bad to keep a loaded gun but didn't know if that was more geared toward "safety" or functionality. I have a little orange marker on the mag I keep loaded so I know which one has the worn spring.

I plan to buy more factory mags soon, would it make since to keep one or two designated mags loaded? Would I risk failure of any kind having mags loaded to capacity for prolonged periods, 24/7? I never got any feedback on this, it would be nice to know, if so ill load the other 2rds now. The other mag too for that matter.
 
Keeping the mags fully loaded does no harm.

The most common malfunctions caused by are easily fixed by changing the mag, so having a loaded spare makes sense, IMO.

I like a minimum of 4-6 magazines for any gun I own. Currently I own 3 Glocks and have 38 mags between them.
 
Quote:" Currently I own 3 glocks and have 38 mags between them"
Holy!!! I don't know if I need 13 mags for my G17 but I sure would like to. Ill probably buy 4 more factory mags and 2 33 rounders, that oughta do it.
 
My understanding of the physics behind spring wear is that it is not the compression that wears them out, it is compression and release cycles that wear them out. So theoretically, you are fine to load them all the way up and just leave them. That shouldn't cause any wear. It's the loading and unloading that does them in...
 
Holy!!! I don't know if I need 13 mags for my G17 but I sure would like to. Ill probably buy 4 more factory mags and 2 33 rounders, that oughta do it.
I remember the AWB of '94 when standard capacity Glock mags were selling for about $100 each, so I try to plan accordingly.
 
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