changing jobs/no ccw allowed

[ACP]

I'll soon be changing jobs to one where I am prohibited from carrying at work (don't ask -- I need the job.)

After a decade of carrying every day at work (usually a S&W Airweight), what do you now suggest?

I'm thinking OC and a folding knife. Maybe begin some martial arts training, such as BJJ.

Also, how secure would an unloaded firearm, with a trigger lock on it, in a locked glove box, in a locked & alarmed car, be? I can unload in the morning in (relatively) secure parking garage, and load again for the evening drive home.

Thanks!

 

[Trebor]

I'd suggest deep, deep concealment of that Airweight and that you exercise the ultimate in discretion. Don't violate the law, but in most cases, company policy is not the law.

 

[Josh]

Same boat friend.


How secure is the car? As secure as a safe that can be opened with a rock & a screwdriver. It's only safe 'cause it's sneaky.

Your knife & Martial arts ideas are good too.

My personal picks for appearing disarmed while actually being armed to the teeth would be:
small lightweight sidearm concealed, small knife concealed,
Canemasters walking cane & a hot cuppa tea, open carry.

You got a cane & a cup of hotter than hell liquid? You're in good shape if you know how to use 'em.

It's a start. Let us know what you decide?

 

[V-fib]

My Job (hospital) is off limits in michigan for CC. So, I carry pepperspray and a couple of knives.

 

[Red_SC]

I'm in the same boat. I carry a folder, and leave my handgun in my locked truck. Sure, I could carry it concealed, and I'd never be caught. But, it's their house, and their rules. I agreed to follow their rules when I was hired, so I'll do it until I leave. If I feel that the risk is too high, I'll get another job. I know some High Roaders carry when it's against company policy, and that's their decision. I chose to follow company policy as long as I'm with the company.

 

[armoredman]

Concealed means concealed. If you are worried the J frame might be exposed, get a KelTec P32 and deep stuff it. Hey, .32 beats harsh language!

 

[WT]

Check to see if company policy allows you to store your weapon in your car while parked in the company parking lot. Some companies do vehicle searches at the gateline. If you choose not to have your vehicle searched, they can deny access to company property.

 

[ACP]

FYI, when I say "no ccw," I mean I am in a place with metal detectors and state police. So...

 

[Zundfolge]

I'm thinking OC and a folding knife. Maybe begin some martial arts training, such as BJJ.

FYI, when I say "no ccw," I mean I am in a place with metal detectors and state police. So...

I doubt you'll get through metal detectors with any knife (and if you buy one that will defeat metal detectors then if you are found with it there will be serious questions). I would bet if you look at the company handbook that OC is also verboten.

I think your best bet is some sort of secure storage in your car. Get something like this and bolt it to the floor (maybe in the trunk).

 

[Trebor]

FYI, when I say "no ccw," I mean I am in a place with metal detectors and state police. So...

That does change things, I'll admit.

Sounds like you need one of those "Ceramic Glock 7's" that can't be detected by metal detectors..."

Seriously though, I do have some ideas. Keep a 2 D-cell maglite at your desk/work station. If anyone asks, tell them it's in case of a power outage. Don't get the black one. Buy a red or yellow one because they appear more friendly.

If the two D-cell Maglite won't fly, get some Kubaton training and get a 2 AA MiniMag. The little Mini Mags make excellent Kubatons and are generally allowed everywhere.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

Also, how secure would an unloaded firearm, with a trigger lock on it, in a locked glove box, in a locked & alarmed car, be? I can unload in the morning in (relatively) secure parking garage, and load again for the evening drive home.

It's not secure. If you handle it in the car, someone will see you eventually. Sooner or later, it won't be there when you come back. And your car may be missing as well.

I mean I am in a place with metal detectors and state police. So...

At least you don't really need a gun at work. I'd get a big can of pepper-spray and a dry chemical fire extinguisher to keep in the car. Should be enough for most commutes.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

Lock the gun in the car in a sturdy toolbox or mounted gun safe.

Don't bother to unload, trigger lock, etc. All that nonsense won't keep the gun safe if someone breaks into the car -- but it does mean loading and unloading and generally fiddling around with a loaded gun twice a day.

Better to remove holster and weapon as a unit when you get to work, and lock up the whole shebang. No muss, no fuss, no bother, and a lot safer.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Ah... the eternal struggle; job and income versus your God given right to effective self-defense.

I'm with you brother- after a extremely *dry* period of unemployment, I picked up a new gig at one of San Francisco's lefty independent weekly newspapers (don't ask- the office socio/political scene is entertaining to say the least, but whatever. It pays the bills.) and of course weapons of any kind are strictly prohibited.

And darn it if that S&W 637 Airweight doesn't fit nicely in a Galco ankle holster; sure it's not my preferred carry scheme, but you have to display adaptability in these situations.

Your call; concealed MEANS concealed.

 

[stv]

Chris,

I can only imagine the looks on their faces if and when someone there discovers you're carrying (depending on the rag, that is... the Guardian would be fun )

 

[Andrew Rothman]

Chris -

Maybe you missed the post above -- the metal detectors and state police part?

By the way, if you don't care for an ankle holster, you might want to try a SmartCarry. I've carried a Ruger P95 in one almost daily for the last 14 months.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Ah Mr Payne I did indeed miss that tid bit of data.

stv- Yeah it does make each day a little interesting... along the lines of 'if they only knew...'

And no not the Guardian... the SF Weekly. Strangely enough the department head is a former LEO form Alameda County.

 

[JitsuGuy]

As a BJJ instructor/student for around 6 years now I can attest to the real-world application of BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). By all means, look into it. It's benificial for the body (no cardio workout compares to BJJ sparring) and at the same time you learn and practice stuff that really works, I know it does, its come in handy a time or two.

J

 

[FPrice]

ACP...

"FYI, when I say "no ccw," I mean I am in a place with metal detectors and state police. So..."

Become REAL good friends with one of the staties and then ask if you can borrow a back-up weapon during the day when you are at work?

Actually I sympathize with you. I work on a Federal installation and don't dare carry. Although I did manage to get a bottle of Pepper Mace in and it sits on my desk. Concealed. In plain sight.

I second the motion for an old leg injury which requires a cane from time to time.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Jobs are easier to replace than lives.

 

[Mannlicher]

my suggestion is to carry your Airweight concealed. Isn't that what CCW means? oh, and keep your mouth closed at work about any and all gun related topics. My Company is rabidly antigun. I have carried a Smith or Taurus snubby, or a CZ Compact, daily for years, none there being the wiser.

 

[ACP]

Thanks guys. I'm going to sift through this info. one more time, and give the job a month or so to see how the place pays out. I believe I could be allowed a knife with a sharpened edge of under 4" -- I would have to keep it in my pocket, though, to keep questions at bay. I'll keep you updated.

 

[joab]

Would you job title in any way justify a Leatherman type tool.
I used that reasoning to carry in courthouses before didn't work at the prisons though