Charlton Heston dead at 84
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I find it hard to believe that we've lost so much civility that some would speak harshly of the dead so quickly 
I know the internet gives the armor of the unknown... and I'm willing to accept that folks will have different opinions on a man's accomplishments, attitudes, and achievements....
but can't we have some respect? If not for him, at least for his loved ones?
I know the internet gives the armor of the unknown... and I'm willing to accept that folks will have different opinions on a man's accomplishments, attitudes, and achievements....
but can't we have some respect? If not for him, at least for his loved ones?
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Rest in peace Mr. Heston.
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He will never be forgotten.
I was acquainted with Charlton Heston. He was a man, and a gentleman. He was intelligent, considerate, and a man of principle. He loved our Country, the Constitution, and was an honorable man. He was also a realist. That is why he took the stances he took politically.
And that is why the Hollywood Left, and that's about 98.5% of Hollywood, hated, loathed, and despised Heston. He was not a mind-dead bliss ninny, shuffling along with all the rest of Hollywood into that Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Fascist Police State Utopia so envisioned by the movers & shakers of Hollywood.
He had class, honor, and style. His like shall not be seen again in Hollywood.
L.W.
And that is why the Hollywood Left, and that's about 98.5% of Hollywood, hated, loathed, and despised Heston. He was not a mind-dead bliss ninny, shuffling along with all the rest of Hollywood into that Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Fascist Police State Utopia so envisioned by the movers & shakers of Hollywood.
He had class, honor, and style. His like shall not be seen again in Hollywood.
L.W.
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I am embarrased to write that I thought he died some years ago. Is that what happens when a famous person retires from the media spotlight; we assume he is dead? I grew up with the characters he brought so well to the screen. We will not see the likes of him again. Someone great has passed adn our world will be a little smaller for the void he left behind him.
Cold, dead hands, Bro!
Cold, dead hands, Bro!
Winchester 73
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Charlton Heston (1923-2008) Movie Star/Activist:A Recapitulation of a Complex Life
A truly great American.
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Heston Left Cinematic, Political Mark
Published: 4/6/08, 12:05 AM EDT
By DAVID GERMAIN
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Nancy Reagan was heartbroken over Charlton Heston's death. President Bush hailed him as a "strong advocate for liberty," while John McCain called Heston a devotee for civil and constitutional rights.
Even Michael Moore, who mocked Heston in his gun-control documentary "Bowling for Columbine," posted the actor's picture on his Web site to mark his passing.
Heston, who died Saturday night at 84, was a towering figure both in his politics and on screen, where his characters had the ear of God (Moses in "The Ten Commandments"), survived apocalyptic plagues ("The Omega Man") and endured one of Hollywood's most-grueling action sequences (the chariot race in "Ben-Hur," which earned him the best-actor Academy Award).
Better known in recent years as a fierce gun-rights advocate who headed the National Rifle Association, Heston played legendary leaders and ordinary men hurled into heroic struggles.
"In taking on epic and commanding roles, he showed himself to be one of our nation's most gifted actors, and his legacy will forever be a part of our cinema," Republican presidential candidate McCain said in a statement that also noted Heston's involvement in the civil-rights movement and his stand against gun control.
Heston's jutting jaw, regal bearing and booming voice served him well as Marc Antony in "Julius Caesar" and "Antony and Cleopatra," Michelangelo in "The Agony and the Ecstasy," John the Baptist in "The Greatest Story Ever Told" and an astronaut on a topsy-turvy world where simians rule in "Planet of the Apes."
"Charlton Heston was seen by the world as larger than life," Heston's family said in a statement. "We knew him as an adoring husband, a kind and devoted father, and a gentle grandfather with an infectious sense of humor. He served these far greater roles with tremendous faith, courage and dignity."
The actor died at his home in Beverly Hills with his wife, Lydia, at his side, family spokesman Bill Powers said. He declined to comment on the cause of death or provide further details Sunday.
One of the biggest box-office draws of the 1950s, '60s and '70s, Heston's work dwindled largely to small parts and narration and other voice roles from the 1980s on, including an uncredited cameo as an ape in Tim Burton's 2001 remake of "Planet of the Apes."
Shirley Jones, who co-starred with Heston in one of his last leading roles in the 1999 drama "Gideon," said his talent as an actor sometimes is forgotten because of the epic characters he played.
"To me, he was the consummate leading man. He was tall, he was handsome, he was sensitive, he was gruff when he had to be. He was a great cowboy, he was perfect for those historical roles," Jones said. "He could do everything, and there aren't many actors around today who could."
In 2002, near the end of his five years as president of the NRA, Heston disclosed he had symptoms consistent with Alzheimer's disease.
The disclosure was soon followed by an unflattering appearance in Moore's 2003 best documentary winner "Bowling for Columbine," which took America to task for its gun laws.
Moore used a clip of Heston holding aloft a rifle at an NRA rally and proclaiming "from my cold, dead hands." The director flustered the actor in an interview later in the film by pressing him on his gun-control stance. Heston eventually walked out on Moore.
Moore's Web site, http://www.michaelmoore.com, on Sunday featured a photo of Heston, the date of his birth and death and a note from the actor's family requesting that donations be made to the Motion Picture and Television Fund in lieu of flowers.
There was no other reaction on the site from Moore about Heston's death. Moore did not immediately respond to e-mail and phone requests seeking comment.
Jones, who worked with Heston on "Gideon" near the beginning of his tenure as NRA president, said she discussed gun control with him and came to respect his stand, even though she disagreed with it. She said he told her his family grew up poor in the country and "had to go out and kill a deer if we wanted meat."
"He was a caring, sweet gentleman who believed in his country," Jones said. "He believed the Constitution said it's OK, we have to defend ourselves."
Like fellow conservative Ronald Reagan, Heston served as president of the Screen Actors Guild. Former first lady Nancy Reagan said in a statement that she was heartbroken to hear of his death.
"He was one of Ronnie's and my dearest friends," she said. "I will never forget Chuck as a hero on the big screen in the roles he played, but more importantly I considered him a hero in life for the many times that he stepped up to support Ronnie in whatever he was doing."
Current Screen Actors Guild president Alan Rosenberg called Heston "a capable and visionary union leader" in a Sunday statement.
Bush - who in 2003 presented Heston the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor - called Heston a "man of character and integrity, with a big heart."
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had Heston as a co-star in 1994's "True Lies," said in a statement that Heston "entertained millions of people around the world during his legendary film career."
"He cared deeply about his craft and he loved his family, his work and his country with all his heart," Schwarzenegger said.
Decades before his NRA leadership, Heston was a strong advocate for civil rights in the 1960s, joining marches and offering financial assistance.
Civil-rights leaders in Los Angeles held a moment of silence in Heston's memory Sunday after an unrelated news conference.
Heston had contributed and raised thousands of dollars in Hollywood for Martin Luther King Jr.'s movement, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, president of the Los Angeles Urban Policy Round Table.
"We certainly disagree with his position as NRA head and also his firm, firm, unwavering support of the unlimited right to bear arms," Hutchinson said. But, he added, "Charlton Heston was a complex individual. He lived a long time, and certainly, there were many phases. The phases we prefer to remember were certainly his contributions to Dr. King and civil rights."
Fans remember Heston for some of the most epic moments on film: Parting the Red Sea as Moses in "The Ten Commandments," cursing his self-destructive species as he stumbles on the remnants of the Statue of Liberty in "Planet of the Apes," tearing hell-bent through the chariot race in "Ben-Hur."
"Ben-Hur" earned 11 Oscars, the most ever until 1997's "Titanic" and 2003's "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" tied it.
Born Charles Carter in a Chicago suburb on Oct. 4, 1923, Heston grew up in the Michigan wilderness, where his father operated a lumber mill.
Heston took up acting after serving in the Army during World War II. He took his professional name from his mother's maiden name, Charlton, and the last name of his stepfather, Chester Heston, whom she married after his parents' divorce.
After his movie debut in two independent films by a college classmate, Heston was put under contract by producer Hal B. Wallis ("Casablanca"). Cecil B. DeMille cast him as the circus manager in "The Greatest Show on Earth" and then as Moses in "The Ten Commandments."
He followed with Orson Welles' "Touch of Evil," William Wyler's "The Big Country" and the sea saga "The Wreck of the Mary Deare" before "Ben-Hur" elevated Heston to the top of Hollywood's A-list.
His later films included "Earthquake," "El Cid," "The Three Musketeers," "Midway" and "Soylent Green."
In recent years, Heston drew as much publicity for his crusades as for his performances. In addition to his NRA work, he campaigned for Republican presidential and congressional candidates and against affirmative action.
He resigned from Actors Equity, claiming the union's refusal to allow a white actor to play a Eurasian role in "Miss Saigon" was "obscenely racist." He attacked CNN's telecasts from Baghdad as "sowing doubts" about the allied effort in the 1990-91 Gulf War.
Heston also feuded with liberal Edward Asner, one of his successors as Screen Actors Guild president. In a statement Sunday, Asner said Heston "was a worthy opponent and certainly helped create work for a lot of actors."
When Heston stepped down as NRA president, he told members his time in office was "quite a ride. ... I loved every minute of it."
Heston and his wife had a daughter, Holly Ann, and a son, Fraser Clarke, who played the infant Moses in "The Ten Commandments."
In the 1990s, Heston's son directed his father in several TV and big-screen films, including "Treasure Island" and "Alaska."
The Hestons celebrated their golden wedding anniversary in 1994 at a party with Hollywood and political friends. They had been married 64 years when he died.
Associated Press reporter Bob Thomas contributed to this report
Another link on this fine man:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020228.php
April 6, 2008
Charlton Heston, RIP
The death of Charlton Heston represents a great loss for American art. It's possible to imagine other fine actors of his era playing the roles Heston made unforgettable, but it's not possible to imagine the other actors making them unforgettable. From Moses to Judah Ben-Hur to George Taylor and all the rest before and after, Heston uniquely combined physical grace, a superb physique, that resonant voice, a commanding presence, and a great actor's total commitment to the part.
Heston sought to set it all down in his autobiography In the Arena. It is the rare Hollywood memoir without a salacious component. Heston's wife and family make appearances on virtually every page of the book. One of the book's highlights is Heston's recollection of his work preparing for the chariot race in "Ben-Hur." Heston had gone to Rome several weeks before shooting was to begin in order to work on a practice track. "I had to learn to drive the chariot," Heston recalled. "I'd long since realized the crucial importance of learning the physical skill you need for a part before the play goes into rehearsal or the film starts."
Stuntman and second unit director Yakima Canutt was responsible for the orchestration of the chariot scene. He obtained more than a hundred horses to make up the eight teams, with backups. Heston describes the care Canutt devoted especially to picking Ben-Hur's white horses and Messala's black horses for the scene, as well as their training and the selection of the stuntmen to drive them. Heston recalls training at least two hours a day for six weeks with the four teams of white horses Canutt had picked for him.
"Over the weeks Yak made me into a modestly competent charioteer," Heston acknowledged, and yet he still fretted that his skills were not adequate to the scene. "Y'know, Yak, I feel pretty comfortable running this team now, but we're all alone here. We start shooting this sucker in ten days. I'm not so sure I can cut it with seven other teams out there." Heston finishes the story:
Yak looked at me and pushed his cap back on his head. "Chuck, you just make sure y'stay in the chariot. I guarantee yuh gonna win the damn race."
Heston told that story when he came out to Minnesota to speak on behalf of Republican senate candidate Rod Grams in the fall of 1994. Heston advised Rod that he would win the damn race if he stayed in the chariot. Rod stayed in and won.
In the last chapter of his autobiography Heston tells a story deriving from his appearance in Minnesota on behalf of Grams. In the course of his remarks on behalf of Grams, Heston said: "We have to get back to the values and perceptions of those wise old dead white guys who invented this country." Grams's hapless opponent and her friends in the media tried to create a brouhaha out of the remarks, as Heston recalls, branding him with what he calls "the familiar P.C epithets." Heston had moved on to appear on behalf of another Republican candidate outside Minnesota before the controversy erupted, but he took the time to tape a response:
"Let's see now," I said, "they were wise, they were old, thery're dead, they were white guys, and they invented this country. Which word in that sentence don't you understand?"
I think it's fair to say that we shall not look upon his like again.
JOHN adds: Some years ago, my family had a "brush with fame" moment when we were in London. Charlton Heston was appearing in a play there, and we were staying at the same hotel. One night he held the door for us as we left the hotel. Heston's eyes twinkled as he watched my sizable gang go by. I was too tongue-tied to tell him how much I admired his work, both thespian and political. Afterward I asked my kids if they'd recognized the man who held the door for us. They were too young for Heston's name to mean anything to them, until I explained that he was the guy who drove the chariot in Ben-Hur.
Charlton Heston was a great man and a life-long model of civic engagement, from his early days as a civil rights activist to his later championing of the Second Amendment.
A truly great American.
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Heston Left Cinematic, Political Mark
Published: 4/6/08, 12:05 AM EDT
By DAVID GERMAIN
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Nancy Reagan was heartbroken over Charlton Heston's death. President Bush hailed him as a "strong advocate for liberty," while John McCain called Heston a devotee for civil and constitutional rights.
Even Michael Moore, who mocked Heston in his gun-control documentary "Bowling for Columbine," posted the actor's picture on his Web site to mark his passing.
Heston, who died Saturday night at 84, was a towering figure both in his politics and on screen, where his characters had the ear of God (Moses in "The Ten Commandments"), survived apocalyptic plagues ("The Omega Man") and endured one of Hollywood's most-grueling action sequences (the chariot race in "Ben-Hur," which earned him the best-actor Academy Award).
Better known in recent years as a fierce gun-rights advocate who headed the National Rifle Association, Heston played legendary leaders and ordinary men hurled into heroic struggles.
"In taking on epic and commanding roles, he showed himself to be one of our nation's most gifted actors, and his legacy will forever be a part of our cinema," Republican presidential candidate McCain said in a statement that also noted Heston's involvement in the civil-rights movement and his stand against gun control.
Heston's jutting jaw, regal bearing and booming voice served him well as Marc Antony in "Julius Caesar" and "Antony and Cleopatra," Michelangelo in "The Agony and the Ecstasy," John the Baptist in "The Greatest Story Ever Told" and an astronaut on a topsy-turvy world where simians rule in "Planet of the Apes."
"Charlton Heston was seen by the world as larger than life," Heston's family said in a statement. "We knew him as an adoring husband, a kind and devoted father, and a gentle grandfather with an infectious sense of humor. He served these far greater roles with tremendous faith, courage and dignity."
The actor died at his home in Beverly Hills with his wife, Lydia, at his side, family spokesman Bill Powers said. He declined to comment on the cause of death or provide further details Sunday.
One of the biggest box-office draws of the 1950s, '60s and '70s, Heston's work dwindled largely to small parts and narration and other voice roles from the 1980s on, including an uncredited cameo as an ape in Tim Burton's 2001 remake of "Planet of the Apes."
Shirley Jones, who co-starred with Heston in one of his last leading roles in the 1999 drama "Gideon," said his talent as an actor sometimes is forgotten because of the epic characters he played.
"To me, he was the consummate leading man. He was tall, he was handsome, he was sensitive, he was gruff when he had to be. He was a great cowboy, he was perfect for those historical roles," Jones said. "He could do everything, and there aren't many actors around today who could."
In 2002, near the end of his five years as president of the NRA, Heston disclosed he had symptoms consistent with Alzheimer's disease.
The disclosure was soon followed by an unflattering appearance in Moore's 2003 best documentary winner "Bowling for Columbine," which took America to task for its gun laws.
Moore used a clip of Heston holding aloft a rifle at an NRA rally and proclaiming "from my cold, dead hands." The director flustered the actor in an interview later in the film by pressing him on his gun-control stance. Heston eventually walked out on Moore.
Moore's Web site, http://www.michaelmoore.com, on Sunday featured a photo of Heston, the date of his birth and death and a note from the actor's family requesting that donations be made to the Motion Picture and Television Fund in lieu of flowers.
There was no other reaction on the site from Moore about Heston's death. Moore did not immediately respond to e-mail and phone requests seeking comment.
Jones, who worked with Heston on "Gideon" near the beginning of his tenure as NRA president, said she discussed gun control with him and came to respect his stand, even though she disagreed with it. She said he told her his family grew up poor in the country and "had to go out and kill a deer if we wanted meat."
"He was a caring, sweet gentleman who believed in his country," Jones said. "He believed the Constitution said it's OK, we have to defend ourselves."
Like fellow conservative Ronald Reagan, Heston served as president of the Screen Actors Guild. Former first lady Nancy Reagan said in a statement that she was heartbroken to hear of his death.
"He was one of Ronnie's and my dearest friends," she said. "I will never forget Chuck as a hero on the big screen in the roles he played, but more importantly I considered him a hero in life for the many times that he stepped up to support Ronnie in whatever he was doing."
Current Screen Actors Guild president Alan Rosenberg called Heston "a capable and visionary union leader" in a Sunday statement.
Bush - who in 2003 presented Heston the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor - called Heston a "man of character and integrity, with a big heart."
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had Heston as a co-star in 1994's "True Lies," said in a statement that Heston "entertained millions of people around the world during his legendary film career."
"He cared deeply about his craft and he loved his family, his work and his country with all his heart," Schwarzenegger said.
Decades before his NRA leadership, Heston was a strong advocate for civil rights in the 1960s, joining marches and offering financial assistance.
Civil-rights leaders in Los Angeles held a moment of silence in Heston's memory Sunday after an unrelated news conference.
Heston had contributed and raised thousands of dollars in Hollywood for Martin Luther King Jr.'s movement, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, president of the Los Angeles Urban Policy Round Table.
"We certainly disagree with his position as NRA head and also his firm, firm, unwavering support of the unlimited right to bear arms," Hutchinson said. But, he added, "Charlton Heston was a complex individual. He lived a long time, and certainly, there were many phases. The phases we prefer to remember were certainly his contributions to Dr. King and civil rights."
Fans remember Heston for some of the most epic moments on film: Parting the Red Sea as Moses in "The Ten Commandments," cursing his self-destructive species as he stumbles on the remnants of the Statue of Liberty in "Planet of the Apes," tearing hell-bent through the chariot race in "Ben-Hur."
"Ben-Hur" earned 11 Oscars, the most ever until 1997's "Titanic" and 2003's "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" tied it.
Born Charles Carter in a Chicago suburb on Oct. 4, 1923, Heston grew up in the Michigan wilderness, where his father operated a lumber mill.
Heston took up acting after serving in the Army during World War II. He took his professional name from his mother's maiden name, Charlton, and the last name of his stepfather, Chester Heston, whom she married after his parents' divorce.
After his movie debut in two independent films by a college classmate, Heston was put under contract by producer Hal B. Wallis ("Casablanca"). Cecil B. DeMille cast him as the circus manager in "The Greatest Show on Earth" and then as Moses in "The Ten Commandments."
He followed with Orson Welles' "Touch of Evil," William Wyler's "The Big Country" and the sea saga "The Wreck of the Mary Deare" before "Ben-Hur" elevated Heston to the top of Hollywood's A-list.
His later films included "Earthquake," "El Cid," "The Three Musketeers," "Midway" and "Soylent Green."
In recent years, Heston drew as much publicity for his crusades as for his performances. In addition to his NRA work, he campaigned for Republican presidential and congressional candidates and against affirmative action.
He resigned from Actors Equity, claiming the union's refusal to allow a white actor to play a Eurasian role in "Miss Saigon" was "obscenely racist." He attacked CNN's telecasts from Baghdad as "sowing doubts" about the allied effort in the 1990-91 Gulf War.
Heston also feuded with liberal Edward Asner, one of his successors as Screen Actors Guild president. In a statement Sunday, Asner said Heston "was a worthy opponent and certainly helped create work for a lot of actors."
When Heston stepped down as NRA president, he told members his time in office was "quite a ride. ... I loved every minute of it."
Heston and his wife had a daughter, Holly Ann, and a son, Fraser Clarke, who played the infant Moses in "The Ten Commandments."
In the 1990s, Heston's son directed his father in several TV and big-screen films, including "Treasure Island" and "Alaska."
The Hestons celebrated their golden wedding anniversary in 1994 at a party with Hollywood and political friends. They had been married 64 years when he died.
Associated Press reporter Bob Thomas contributed to this report
Another link on this fine man:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020228.php
April 6, 2008
Charlton Heston, RIP
The death of Charlton Heston represents a great loss for American art. It's possible to imagine other fine actors of his era playing the roles Heston made unforgettable, but it's not possible to imagine the other actors making them unforgettable. From Moses to Judah Ben-Hur to George Taylor and all the rest before and after, Heston uniquely combined physical grace, a superb physique, that resonant voice, a commanding presence, and a great actor's total commitment to the part.
Heston sought to set it all down in his autobiography In the Arena. It is the rare Hollywood memoir without a salacious component. Heston's wife and family make appearances on virtually every page of the book. One of the book's highlights is Heston's recollection of his work preparing for the chariot race in "Ben-Hur." Heston had gone to Rome several weeks before shooting was to begin in order to work on a practice track. "I had to learn to drive the chariot," Heston recalled. "I'd long since realized the crucial importance of learning the physical skill you need for a part before the play goes into rehearsal or the film starts."
Stuntman and second unit director Yakima Canutt was responsible for the orchestration of the chariot scene. He obtained more than a hundred horses to make up the eight teams, with backups. Heston describes the care Canutt devoted especially to picking Ben-Hur's white horses and Messala's black horses for the scene, as well as their training and the selection of the stuntmen to drive them. Heston recalls training at least two hours a day for six weeks with the four teams of white horses Canutt had picked for him.
"Over the weeks Yak made me into a modestly competent charioteer," Heston acknowledged, and yet he still fretted that his skills were not adequate to the scene. "Y'know, Yak, I feel pretty comfortable running this team now, but we're all alone here. We start shooting this sucker in ten days. I'm not so sure I can cut it with seven other teams out there." Heston finishes the story:
Yak looked at me and pushed his cap back on his head. "Chuck, you just make sure y'stay in the chariot. I guarantee yuh gonna win the damn race."
Heston told that story when he came out to Minnesota to speak on behalf of Republican senate candidate Rod Grams in the fall of 1994. Heston advised Rod that he would win the damn race if he stayed in the chariot. Rod stayed in and won.
In the last chapter of his autobiography Heston tells a story deriving from his appearance in Minnesota on behalf of Grams. In the course of his remarks on behalf of Grams, Heston said: "We have to get back to the values and perceptions of those wise old dead white guys who invented this country." Grams's hapless opponent and her friends in the media tried to create a brouhaha out of the remarks, as Heston recalls, branding him with what he calls "the familiar P.C epithets." Heston had moved on to appear on behalf of another Republican candidate outside Minnesota before the controversy erupted, but he took the time to tape a response:
"Let's see now," I said, "they were wise, they were old, thery're dead, they were white guys, and they invented this country. Which word in that sentence don't you understand?"
I think it's fair to say that we shall not look upon his like again.
JOHN adds: Some years ago, my family had a "brush with fame" moment when we were in London. Charlton Heston was appearing in a play there, and we were staying at the same hotel. One night he held the door for us as we left the hotel. Heston's eyes twinkled as he watched my sizable gang go by. I was too tongue-tied to tell him how much I admired his work, both thespian and political. Afterward I asked my kids if they'd recognized the man who held the door for us. They were too young for Heston's name to mean anything to them, until I explained that he was the guy who drove the chariot in Ben-Hur.
Charlton Heston was a great man and a life-long model of civic engagement, from his early days as a civil rights activist to his later championing of the Second Amendment.
sublimaze41
Member
Bloodedsky,
A man of great fame and respect dies. You post reckless points about his character without so much as anything to back it up. Why would you do that, just curious? What is the purpose? I would love to know your motives.
Speaking ill of the recently passed is one thing. Slandering a recently passed person is another. Even with evidence to validate your claims it is in poor taste. Did you ever consider you may have been wrong?
I am not sure it is in the spirit of The Higher Road to label someone a racist. That is truely a hateful thing to say about anybody, especially if it is JUST an opinion.
A man of great fame and respect dies. You post reckless points about his character without so much as anything to back it up. Why would you do that, just curious? What is the purpose? I would love to know your motives.
Speaking ill of the recently passed is one thing. Slandering a recently passed person is another. Even with evidence to validate your claims it is in poor taste. Did you ever consider you may have been wrong?
I am not sure it is in the spirit of The Higher Road to label someone a racist. That is truely a hateful thing to say about anybody, especially if it is JUST an opinion.
Gene Beasley
Member
Titan6
member
When a man is logically consistent his entire life and you don't understand it, make up a reason why you don't understand:
searcher451
Member
Nice photo and tribute story about Chuck on the front page of USA TODAY this morning. In the picture, he has a shotgun slung over his shoulder.
CountGlockula
Member
RIP.
takhtakaal
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Read Mr. Heston's speech (linked blow) and not just the commentary in the links posted by bloodedsky.
The VPC - go figure - accuses Charlton Heston of being homophobic, racist, and sexist, yet what portion of that speech falls under any of those labels?
My troll-o-meter is hitting 9.8
Fine speech, and Amen!
The VPC - go figure - accuses Charlton Heston of being homophobic, racist, and sexist, yet what portion of that speech falls under any of those labels?
My troll-o-meter is hitting 9.8
Fine speech, and Amen!
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
So basically when Heston points out that the Clinton administration actively protected SOME rights while actively persecuting OTHERS that it's Heston who is the bad person for pointing it out?
And of course the fact that David Duke likes it means little. The KKK regularly endorses political candidates without those candidates knowledge or request, not sure what that has to do with anything.
And of course the ONLY place you could find that agreed with your interpretation was the VPC website. Let me rephrase that. It was never YOUR interpretation of his words at all was it, your entire argument was fed to you by VPC.
That NAACP disagrees with him surprises you? Since NAACP is as anti Second Amendment as VPC? Gloria Steinem is credible now too?
Now as for the anti gun slant that is unfortunately true. It is very clear that Heston was not a "true believer" as far as machineguns, assault rifles etc go and we have quite a bit of research to look back upon from Neal Knox during the time Heston was running for NRA president. It IS true that Heston made several statements that would indicate he did not believe in open rights to own assault rifles. Other than that you have to go back to 1968 to find any "anti" slant to his speaking at all.
Sorry for the long cut and paste. If we're going to do this debate it is important that you use more sources than VPC, deal?
For context here it is important to remember that Knox was running against Heston in the election in question.
More here on this: http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html
For those of us that have been around the RKBA fight a while you haven't really uncovered anything new here. The whole Neal Knox saga is a long story, of which Mr Heston was but a small part.
In contrast take the words of Col Cooper, who I would say "gets it" on this topic:
And of course the fact that David Duke likes it means little. The KKK regularly endorses political candidates without those candidates knowledge or request, not sure what that has to do with anything.
And of course the ONLY place you could find that agreed with your interpretation was the VPC website. Let me rephrase that. It was never YOUR interpretation of his words at all was it, your entire argument was fed to you by VPC.
That NAACP disagrees with him surprises you? Since NAACP is as anti Second Amendment as VPC? Gloria Steinem is credible now too?
Now as for the anti gun slant that is unfortunately true. It is very clear that Heston was not a "true believer" as far as machineguns, assault rifles etc go and we have quite a bit of research to look back upon from Neal Knox during the time Heston was running for NRA president. It IS true that Heston made several statements that would indicate he did not believe in open rights to own assault rifles. Other than that you have to go back to 1968 to find any "anti" slant to his speaking at all.
Sorry for the long cut and paste. If we're going to do this debate it is important that you use more sources than VPC, deal?
For context here it is important to remember that Knox was running against Heston in the election in question.
More here on this: http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html
For those of us that have been around the RKBA fight a while you haven't really uncovered anything new here. The whole Neal Knox saga is a long story, of which Mr Heston was but a small part.
In contrast take the words of Col Cooper, who I would say "gets it" on this topic:
MinnMooney
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Too many actors give voice to shallow and narrow views. Mr. Heston STOOD for our country, our constitution and us.
He will be sorely missed.
He will be sorely missed.
misANTHrope
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jaholder1971
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I liked most of his movies, however I'm still ashamed of the way he was used by the NRA Winning Team in an effort to derail Neal Knox.
Bloodedsky appears to be an anti, so why bother with the clown?
Bloodedsky appears to be an anti, so why bother with the clown?
camslam
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jaholder1971: You hit the nail right on the head. Take a minute to peruse Bloodedsky's posts and the question, "why bother with the clown" becomes all the more relevant.
TexasRifleman
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Oh because somewhere along the way someone else might believe all the stuff he's presented as "fact".
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