Charter Arms 9mm rimless Pitbull is shipping now

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I really don't see the point. I'd rather have moon clips, the whole point of an auto pistol cartridge in a revolver, fast reloads. And, it ain't like the revolver won't shoot the rounds without the moon clips, they head space on the rim in the chamber. You have to poke 'em out with a pencil that way, big deal. Carry 'em with moon clips, shoot at the range without.

I still think a Taurus 405 (.40S&W) would be neat, but I like .357 and speed loaders are pretty fast after all. One could carry probably 2 moon clipped .40s in a .357 speedloader pouch, though.

The one thing I've heard about the Taurus is the clips are flimsey, but Ranch Products probably makes 'em by now.

I had a clapped out old Smith and Wesson 1917 war horse for a while, sold it. It shot, but it was pretty worn and I had to have a smith get it shootable when I got it. The moon clips were cool, though. I've always been tempted by a 625 in .45ACP, but I don't shoot pins anymore and that's why I was wanting one.
 
Did they [say] exacty when the 9mm would be available to distributors? I checked with Gallery of Guns (Davidsons) and it still show Out of Stock.
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Dee Ecker said they are shipping to distributors and they are already backordered by 12 weeks.

I guess part of that backorder could be the distributors themselves, but I sort of thought that that the 12 week backorder meant that places like Bud's wouldn't have them in stock for another 12 weeks minimum.

My LGD did get a quote for me - $380.00 but they also warned that the 12 week back-order time might be a little optimistic. So maybe his distributor told him something that Dee didn't tell me in her e-mail. :confused:

Charter Arms's website says the gun will fire 380 ACP:

http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/CARR.html

(the 9mm Parabellum revolver will also chamber factory .380ACP). All three Rimless Revolvers (9mm, .40 and .45) will be rated for higher velocity +P loadings.
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That would be a good price point I think for that revolver, also in my e-mail Dee said 12weeks might be optimistic as well.
 
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(the 9mm Parabellum revolver will also chamber factory .380ACP). All three Rimless Revolvers (9mm, .40 and .45) will be rated for higher velocity +P loadings.



I own a .380 auto and a 9x19 and reload both. They're not even close in case dimension, won't work with the same shell holder in the press, dies are different, but then, there's that European thing that chambers any cartridge with a .357" or .355" bullet, forget the name and don't know how it works. I'd have to take the Missouri approach, "show me", but I wanna be at least 50 yards back looking through binoculars behind a barrier.
 
I'm really curious how it can fire 380.

From what I've read, the star extractor doesn't space the 9mm cartridges - it floats on a spring and the cartridge spaces on the case head and the chamber rim, but that wouldn't work for the 380. So I guess the 380 ACP spaces on the star extractor holding the case in the extractor groove?
 
Pretty excited to see these come in stock... I really want a 9mm revolver but dont want to risk on a taurus with some pretty scary reviews.
 
I wonder if the 9mm will be offered in a lite version and if the frame will be scaled down for the cartridge lenght of the 9mm. It would be nice to have a 13 or even 15 oz shorter framed 9mm +P ready revolver.
 
Extraction issues with the .40, are they worked out or is it something that needs the gun to be broken in? I just don't know about these still. Seems too many are citing issues for it to be more than a novelty gun for me. I've always liked the idea of a .40 cal revolver but am not used to having to break in a gun like some of you are saying.
 
C0untZer0 said:
The two things that I'm concerned about - that I don't want to see happen in a 9mm revolver are:

1) Using a .38 spl or 357 mag barrel.

2) Using a .38 spl cylinder which is really too long for the 9mm NATO cartridge.

I'm really not sure what the Charter Arms 9mm Pitbull does with these issues, but it looks like Alfa Proj is using their 357 frame but putting 9mm cylinders and 9mm barrels in them. If you don't mind the cylinder gap in the front - it's no problem, and I'd rather have a 9mm cylinder than have the bullet jump (although I've read many times where this makes no diffference - it just bugs me and I'd rather not have it).

I've also read from many shooters that they can't tell where shooting 9mm through a 357 mag barrel reduces accuracy - but I'd rather not have my 9mm bullet rattling around in a big ol 357 magnum barrel... :mad:
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Folks make a lot more of the .002" difference between 9mms and .38/.357s than there really is in the real world. Same for cylinder length, aside from a slightly shorter frame, there's no great weight savings or increased concealability. Taurus made their 905 with a shorter frame and cylinder for a while, I had one and about the only thing you got over a regular J frame size snubby was a lot harder time finding holsters.

I have a S&W 360J that I had rechambered to 9mm and I haven't seen any appreciable difference in accuracy from shooting .38s through it. No problem qualifying on our duty weapon course of fire with it.

hardluk1 said:
I wonder if the 9mm will be offered in a lite version and if the frame will be scaled down for the cartridge length of the 9mm. It would be nice to have a 13 or even 15 oz shorter framed 9mm +P ready revolver.
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My gun weighs 13oz empty and that's a huge weight savings over the Charter, the Taurus, and the old S&W 940, which all weigh 20-22oz, it makes it a much easier gun to carry than any of those. Also, like I said, the shorter cylinder/frame sound great on paper but in reality any size savings are lost when you consider the "pain in the butt" factor of finding leather to fit it right.
 
The Man With No Name said:
Extraction issues with the .40, are they worked out or is it something that needs the gun to be broken in? I just don't know about these still. Seems too many are citing issues for it to be more than a novelty gun for me. I've always liked the idea of a .40 cal revolver but am not used to having to break in a gun like some of you are saying.
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The first time w/Pitbull to the Range I found the extraction rod to be very stiff. Not long after a few more times at the Range & a clean/lube job no more extraction issues whatsoever. On a side note, a 5 rnd mag makes for a good reloader (or speedloader after some good practice).
 
MCgunner; Moon Clips? I ain't no pencil wearing astronaut, lol. My Pitbull makes for an excellent BUG, and an extra .40 mag can be used as a reloader/speedloader. IMO, this set-up is very convenient. BTW, Pitbull is my first, one & only revolver.

:)
 
Heh Heh......

.......;)

"BTW, Pitbull is my first, one & only revolver."

For now, Soldiernurse, for now. You"re just getting your taste of revolvers now, that appetite will grow. Next time you go to your local fun shop, check out a nice SP101, or maybe you'll be lucky enough to come across a LNIB S&W 66 snub at a fair price. Or can we interest you in a...........:evil:


The first one is how it starts!
 
First time I saw this thread, so humor me.
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"Why don't I care??

Oh, I know!
I have owned two other Charters in the past.

rc " from rcmodel

I have only owned one, but I agree with rcmodel: so what?
You know buyers' remorse? I wish I had instead got a SP101 rather than the .357 Mag Pug.
Some say they got their act together.
NOT!
Why should I machine down my front sight to hit paper at 25 feet? As I did, on a recent production (18 months) specimen.
They STILL need to work on their production line/design stream.
 
I just can't see getting one without the obvious advantages of moon clips. I do have 2 SA handguns in the caliber and reload for it. I guess 9x19 is cheaper if you don't reload, could be why everyone's so gaga over this thing? I'd prefer the moon clip option, though. One can fire 9s in a moon clipped revolver without the clips, just poke out the empties with a pencil or something. I used to do that all the time with .45ACP and my Smith M1917.

In the end, though, 9s are for semi autos. .38s are for revolvers. :D
 
MCgunner; Again, Moon Clips & carrying a pencil around? LOL!!! Again #2, an extra .40 mag can be used as a reloader/speedloader. IMO, this set-up is very convenient.

Why limit revolvers to 38's?

Gaga out...
 
is the 9mm 5 shot revolver going to be on the undercover .38 spl frame or wasted on the larger bulldog frame?
 
I don't think there is going to be a Charter Arms 5-shot 9mm revolver.

The 9mm PITBULL is it, it is THE 9mm offering from Charter Arms and it is a 6-shot.

I don't reload and I do like the idea of being able to use my 9mm ammo in the revolver.
 
so they are using the bulldog sized gun but making it a six (6) shot?
why not use the smaller off duty/under cover frame which already holds five (5) similar caliber sized rounds.
 
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