Cheap Win. "Forged" 9mm ammo in CZ PO1-Not good. Only Cheap.

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Let's be clear that this is not meant to be about steel-cased ammo (I'm quite familiar).It is Not about price, but about reliability/function in a clean, quality CZ compact handgun.

This is specifically about US-made, "Win. Forged", in the brown & black box sold by Academy and maybe WalMart. The only two prev. malfunctions in this nice CZ compact were with aluminum-cased 9mm from Academy. My CZ has been perfect with 400-500 rds. of lowest-cost brass-cased ammo having typically smooth metal surfaces on the cases and about 50-100 rds. Russian steel cased.

Two FTExtract jams today with this crappy Win. ammo in the first 20-30 rds. Showed both malfunctions to a tall safety staffer at Shoot Point Blank. Will not use it in my very new (almost nib) CZ Compact, or the collector Sig P228 ('94) I just bought. No fun checking barrel bores each time for a possible squib bullet stuck inside when there are certain malfunctions.

No more of this junk. Check YouTube to see the "scaly", rough-looking coating (?) on the cases. Have never seen anything like it, even on WW2 Brit. 303 or P.O.F. .303 etc. nor Russian and 'comblock' ammo.
A guy on YouTube pulled bullets out of a few rds. and measured the powder. Powder varied something like 44-54 grains in the same batch, or a similar variation.

Compared to this garbage, the lowest-quality Russian ammo we know as Tula is nice. If you are in Lakeland TN, send me a 'pm' message, meet me outside the Waffle Shop and I'll give you the remaining 50-80 rds. For Free.
Support US-made products.... if they earn it. Good luck.
"YouTube" "mpk1414" to check his function. And "GunTotinMinnesotan" finds the case diameters screwy. His PCR runs all Russian ammo types fine (thousands of rds.), but not this.

Glad I never took this stuff today for my first Action Pistol qual. (Tula worked fine)...the guy on the "Military Arms Channel" states that it has "choked" every, or nearly every handgun he has. ;)
 
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I don't shoot anything but brass-cased ammo in my CZ pistols--they don't even seem to like the aluminum cased ammo that works in all my other pistols.

The Winchester Forged ammo works ok in my Ruger P89 but that's the only gun I've tested it in. The ammo I bought had a good appearance, the cases were a uniform gray color with no scale or discoloration.
Powder varied something like 44-54 grains in the same batch, or a similar variation.
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That's roughly ten times more powder than I would expect to be in typical 9mm range ammo. I'm not sure how much credence I'd give that guy on Youtube.
 
My only experience with steel-case ammo was 2 20rd boxes of Monarch brand (Academy) .308 ammo. Although I understand this was Russian ammo in a different box, I won't touch steel-case ammo ever again. I am sort of at a loss as to why the domestic ammo makers are turning to it, unless they are saving money by sourcing the cases elsewhere and assembling it here, or something like that. In any event, the market will dictate... if it's really crappy ammo, no one will buy it.
 
I recently tried a box of the winchester forged ammo as well out of curiosity. It is complete junk. Failures to extract were the problem I had with it. The only way I could get them to extract at all was to hose them all down with hornady one shot resizing lube first. I used all my saving on the ammo on lube lol and they still were only 80% reliable.
 
A friend of mine was shooting that ammo in his SR9c because there was snow and we didn't want to lose brass. He had one round that did not go off. It had a nice deep primer strike but no ignition.
 
Military arms channel on YouTube has run a case of it through several different kinds of guns always with crap results. I'll pass life is too short for bad ammo.
 
The more y'all bad mouth and ignore steel cased ammo the more for me at even lower prices!

If your gun won't function with steel cased ammo, it needs to be fixed. If a "clean" gun won't run with steel cased ammo, what on earth makes you think it'll be reliable under harsh conditions with any ammo?
 
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I'm fine with steel case ammo. I shoot it in my 7.62x39, 7.62x54, and I shoot hornady steel match in 223. I wish more quality ammo was made in steel case. The winchester forged USA ammo however is complete crap.
 
I too enjoy steel cased ammo. Buy tula and a few others by the cart full. That forged however is garbage and I won't waste my money. Some ammo is just bad ammo.
 
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The more y'all bad mouth and ignore steel cased ammo the more for me at even lower prices!

If your gun won't function with steel cased ammo, it needs to be fixed. If a "clean" gun won't run with steel cased ammo, what on earth makes you think it'll be reliable under harsh conditions with any ammo?
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Have you actually shot the USA Forged ammo?
 
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If your gun won't function with steel cased ammo, it needs to be fixed. If a "clean" gun won't run with steel cased ammo, what on earth makes you think it'll be reliable under harsh conditions with any ammo?
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All my firearms are reliable under harsh conditions with real ammo... not steel-cased junk. You buy what you want ... and glory in the savings.
 
Never had a problem with Tula or Wolf steel case ammo, however I’ve never shot the USA forged stuff. The reviews of this stuff has kept me away, when I shoot steel I’ll go to my trusty wolf and Tula. Like stated above, some ammo is just bad ammo
 
This was not created to be about steel-cased ammo as a category. Maybe Winchester figured that we would have very low expectations at the attractive price. Again, compared to this stuff, Russian Tula is decent ammo.

.40 caliber Tula doesn't always cock the hammer or lock back the slide in my .40 Sig P229. But I've had no FTFeed or FTExtract with Russian.

However, Win. Forged 9mm creates Total Jams in the CZ PO1's action, 4 times in 250 rds. Even for practice hitting metal gongs I'll next order brass-cased Sellier-Bellot.
 
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I recently bought a Taurus G2C (latest version of PT111) in 9mm and I ran a bunch of ammo thru it to see what it liked or didnt.... everything I ran thru it, it ate with NO issues. But the Winchester Forged caused problems. I had at least 4 FTE (out of 50) and one of them jammed the slide badly... I couldnt even move the slide enough to field strip it... but I did eventually get it open. I'm all for Made In The USA but I'm not buying that ammo again. Also, its got a coating of gray dust or something that dirties everything. Not worth it.
 
I ran 200 rounds of it through my P01 with no issues. I bought it without realizing it was steel cased.

I don't intend on buying anymore even though it worked fine in one of my guns.
 
Had similar issues with it before. I attributed it to some rather funky coating on the cases,,, No real reason to buy it again.
 
I put 100 rounds of it through a new Kahr last winter. Bought it on a whim at $8.99/50. I figured cheap break-in ammo for the new Kahr. It all went through the pistol without any hiccups. I still wouldn't use the ammo for anything serious.

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If a gun was designed for brass cased ammo, I only shoot brass cased ammo through it. Learned that lesson with Klimosk Junior steel cased .22 - only my Rumanian Army Training Rifle M68 would handle it.

No problem shooting steel or brass in a gun designed for steel casings. The price difference between brass and steel casings does not tempt me much, but since I recycle brass I don't reload, recycling brass helps pay for my primers.
 
I bought over 1,000 rounds of this stuff a couple weeks ago. Yesterday I loaded 100 rounds up in 6 mags, and the first thing I noticed was my hands were really dirty- which of course meant wash my hands real good before I ate. Don't need any more lead in my body, either ingested or injected- as it is, I'll probably be mad as a hatter by the time I'm 60. Anyhow, I proceeded to fire them all through my range pistol- a Glock 17 that hasn't been cleaned since at least 1,000 rounds of Tula or so ago. I should really clean it one day, I can hear grit inside when I load it. Not surprisingly, it worked fine.
 
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It’s bad when you ammo is worse than Tula
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Come on now. Tula = Glock-chow. When it comes to steel cased elcheepo ammo, Tula is on top.I sure wouldn’t shoot it out of a Sig or a 1911, but in its place its fine. It shoots pretty straight and goes bang most every time. I buy a lot of Tula 9mm. I wouldn’t use it for anything I cared about, or in anything I cared about. I keep a few boxes in my range bag for times I shoot where it’s a pain to pickup brass. For general purpose recoil therapy Tula is fine.



And interestedly, for me it seems to group a little better than some of the cheaper brass cased brands.

Off the top of my head, Magtech.
 
If you show up with steel case ammo around here, they chase you off of every one of the indoor ranges I know of. And we should all be grateful for that!
 
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