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Cheapest (class III) machine guns presently?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by cleetus03, Feb 1, 2010.

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  1. cleetus03

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    So......I just finished watching a video doc on the "Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot". Never really knew the legalities of full auto firearms and am now really intrigued.....

    I know that since the "Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986", legally transferable machine guns have continued to soar in price.....

    With that said what are the cheapest priced "pre 86" machine guns on the market right now?.....I'm thinking it's one of those questions answered by a "if you have to ask you can't afford it" kind of reply


    Appreciate any help or info yall can give me on this!
     
  2. C-grunt

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    I think the MAC-10 and 11s are like 4 or 5 grand.
     
  3. lions

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    A nice man who let me shoot some of his once told me that an Uzi would be the cheapest way to get into full auto. I didn't ask him that question but I'm assuming the look on my face told him all he needed to know.
     
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    you can find mac10/11's in the 2500-3200 range sometimes..i think sten guns are about the next cheapest usually
     
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    I don't know if this helps, but a frequent guest as my work has got a couple full auto Uzi's. From discussions with him, I was under the Impression that they were some of the cheaper ways to get into Full-Auto Territory.
     
  7. D Boone

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    A registered bolt only, meaning you have the Uzi already, are running about $6500 new. FA and transferable Uzi used depending on brand runs about the same. M-10 & M-11 cheapest FA available now. Like has already been said, about 2500-3500 can be found. A Lage upper and you have a world class firearm. You live in FL, you need a trust. It seems last time I looked most of the NIB SWD M-10 & M-11's live in FL. Good luck.
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    Cheapest QUALITY firearm you could get is probably an AC-556 Ruger.

    Mac and Uzi are lower cost but you're a bit limited on what you can do with them. The Ruger is something you could actually use.

    But there are a lot of Macs out there for sale, some even still "NIB" from '86.
     
  9. Hatterasguy

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    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=155480418


    Personaly I like the FN FNC. If I didn't live in a communist state I would already own a semi auto one.


    Also you can get full auto lowers for the Sig556 series for around $2k, one just sold on Gunbroker for $1,800.
    https://www.cogunsales.com/index.ph...ufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

    Sig uses a full auto bolt and bolt carrier in all the 556's, so all you need to do is clip on the lower. I don't know how they get away with doing that but they are.

    Anyway the trick would be doing it legaly, I guess the lower would be the registered part?
     
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    Seen AC556 for $3500, but that was maybe two years ago. Still waaaaay too expensive for me.
     
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    One thing I've always been curious about: The FN FNC always seems to be a "value" priced Title II MG, but I don't know why.

    Why is it that they seem to be nearly the same price as a Ruger AC566? Always around $7k - $9K, and seemingly (to me, anyway) much more desirable than an M-16 which will go for twice that.

    Why aren't they more desired?

    Thanks!

    -Sam
     
  13. taliv

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    hmm.... standard issue of the indonesian airforce or standard issue of the US military ;)

    parts availability, modularity, and ergonomics are just a couple of the hundreds of reasons one is more desirable than the other...
     
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    Can you stil get a DIAS for an Ar?
     
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    taliv,

    Well, sure...but also standard issue of Belgium and Sweden! So that's like...0.03% of the world's military forces all FLOCKING to this one design! :D

    It was actually the "couple of hundred" other reasons I was interested in. On the surface it seems to have a lot going for it: rotating bolt, piston driven, folding stock, STANAG mags, FAL-like ergonomics which don't exactly SUCK, etc.

    Is the issue that it just didn't get much traction when competing against our M-16 variants for arming the free world, or are there critical problems with the design?

    I've never quite managed to convince myself that I needed an AR. But I've always kind of had a sweet spot for the FNC and I don't want to (someday) plop down some cash for a real dog of a gun.

    -Sam
     
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    i wouldn't use the NFA market as a barometer for desirability of a platform. prices are more affected by supply, collectability, historical significance, price of ammo, etc

    zero, yes, DIAS are pretty common
     
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    Check out and ask at www.subguns.com

    The ruger is a joke... they don't like civilians having them and the support is poor. The design sup[posidly doesn't hold up great with the FA... The ingram and the sten can be made to work better more reliable.


    I got in the game in the early nineties and got a sten... its fun and definately was one of the affordable ones although I am kickin myself for not gettin a couple more BACK THEN... a FA AR or M16 would be fun with the caliber changes etc.

    The sten is a bit slower and more affordable than the M10/11 but the new uppers for them can slow em down a bit.

    No matter what they cost they are still cheaper than not going through the legit channels! The lawyer fees and fines etc can surpass the cost of a decent M!6 or others real quick if ya don't keep it legal.

    I said that when I bought mine back then and it still applies.
     
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    M10/11 are pretty much the bottom of the price range, from about $2500 and up. However, if you buy one, make sure you get a suppressor with them. They make both guns much more controllable. Stens are also cheap and good, but another cheapie, the S&W 76, has a horrible reputation. Uzis will run 6-7k.

    People talk alot about how worthless the Ingrams are, but they are insanely fun to shoot. As far as quality goes, if you get a Powder Springs version of the MAC, they are extremely well built and reliable. Some of the later Texas MACs were not built well and may need re-welding.

    And as far as usage is concerned, how useful is any FA? You can't hunt with them, carry them concealed, carry them across state lines without permission, or even shoot them at many ranges. I wouldn't use mine for defense, either, just because I would be scared of the legal implications and the risk of having very expensive guns confiscated. In the civilian world, they exist simply to waste ammo and have a good time. Subguns like the MAC are a different breed of gun than assault rifles, which is what the Ruger is. Different purposes, different designs. You can't compare apples with oranges.

    Beware, though. Once you buy a FA gun, they become addictive. The MACs were I how I got into the FA game. And to echo tallpaul, do not play around with illegitimate machine guns. It will wreck your life when you get caught.
     
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    The FN FNC is kind of an oddball rifle in this country. Its not as commen or well known as an AR.

    Which is a shame because IMHO its a great rifle, I'd buy one over an AR any day of the week.


    Or you could go the Sig route if you can figure out how to make it legal. I wouldn't get anything illegal, personaly I rather not spend 10 years in jail for a gun.
     
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    STEN, they are what is known as a tube build.
     
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    If you have to ask the price.........

    Just remember that the price is only to get her home; then you gotta feed her.
    Depending on the chambering, the cyclical rate of fire, and the grade of ammo used, you could be talking big bucks.

    So say .308, at $.50 a round (to make the math easy)
    .50 x 30 = $15/mag
    .50 x 200 (belt-fed!) = $100/belt ....now multiply by rate of fire...say 400 rds/min

    Yep, you could burn through 100 bucks in 30 seconds easy!
     
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    The m10 and 11's are about the least expensive. If you get a m10 in 45 acp you can convert it to 9mm and .22.

    The last one I picked up was a powder springs m10/9 NIB for $2800 last year.
     
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    Also, as above I can shoot a 9mm smg for an afternoon for what it costs for an hour of running my 1919.
     
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    Are those full auto SIG 550 lowers above legit/transferrable at $2000? That sounds too good to be true.

    As far as how they would put an auto carrier in a Sig 556; same way they do it in a multitude of AR15's I guess. With ARs, it is the trigger parts that matter. I don't know if there is anything about a Sig that would change the legalities of that.
     
  25. Maverick223

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    +1, seems far too inexpensive to me.

    :)
     
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