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Boy, am I S.O.L. here ... with my:
Marlin .22,
Beretta 92,
Mini-14,
Colt Python,
Winchester Mod. 70 (.30-06),
Mossberg 500 ...
and a buttload of 1911A1, all .45 ACP, in various guises ...
Sorry, I like mine better. Guess I'll have to provide my own parts.
 
I am startin to like what i am hearing in favor of the SKS.
Now, do you think it is more widely owned than the AK?
If not, will its simplicity and ease of repair overwhelm any numbers advantage that the AK has ?
C-.

With the influx of the cheap Yugo SKS we are having now I would think the ownership would be quite large. The price alone (I got mine for $149) would induce many people to buy.

I don't know what the frequency of repair would be on them, but the construction looks very solid to me. As far as ease of it, the rifle comes apart without tools in under a minute. The only things I could see failing would be springs and the trigger group, and that looks unlikely.
 
Lets see, I've got rifles in the following caliburs,
.30-06 1ea
7.62x39 3ea
.12 ga. 2ea
.22 2ea.
.223 2ea.
.303 1ea.
.308 1ea.
7.62x54r 2ea. w/one on the way
8mm 2ea.

handguns,
.44 1ea
9mm 1ea.


Thinking hard about getting that serbu .50 before the ban here in Kali.
 
There's more then one way to look at it.

Yes, if you only have one or two guns, it makes sense to pick a very common caliber.

But, if you have multiple guns, having multiple calibers increases the odds that whatever ammo you find is likely to fit at least one of your guns. That Glock 19 is pretty useless when you are out of 9mm and you stumble across a half-case of .45 ACP before you find any 9mm.

I'm not really a SHTF type of guy. For me, the main benefit of multiple calibers is that I can buy whatever is cheap at the time and stock up for future range trips. Right now I'm about to stock up on some 6.5X55 Swede that I've seen at a good price. While I've been out, I've been shooting my M-1 Garand more.
 
My caliber choices are 22LR, 357 Magnum, 9x19mm, .223, 7.62x39, 308, 30-06, and 12ga.

Too many calibers!

22lr ok for small game and practice - a keeper.

357 and 9mm? why? I'd dump both.

How about a round that would work as anti-personal and bagging game in a handgun or rifle like the 44mag?

30-06 - yes for large game from at longer distances

12ga yes for game at shorter distances and for personel defense

If you'd insist on an anti-personel only addition to the list I'd replace 357/9mm with the 45acp
 
I'm kinda confused as to how it was said that the SKS is simpler in function than the AK. I've got both and my AK just seems to be less complicated than the SKS. Now this is a feat to accomplish, I agree, as the SKS is one of hte simplest autoloaders out there. But the AK just seems like there's nothing to it. Please elaborate if ya could, why the sks is simpler than the Ak, i'm all ears and open minded to what you have to say.
 
"Standardizing" on a everyone having a few guns on the list, or at the very least a few calibers, is a good idea.
What guns you own will always be a very personal choice, but what you are trying to do is still a pretty good idea.
Keep working on it.


Also, on the SKS/AK thing, both have strengths and weaknesses.
I have never seen an AK jam but I have seen a rare few with SKS's. The SKS is a hare more accurate than an AK, at least until it heats up. The AK is quicker handling, faster to reload, and a little more durable. By the same token, if you lose all your mags with an AK, you have a single shot. You don't have to worry about that with an SKS.
I have an AK now, but am looking at supplementing it or replacing it with an SKS at some point, maybe.

I would also worry more about the rifles than anything else. IIRC, the guerilla fighters during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising preferred rifles and machineguns whenever they could get them. Just having the handgun of your choice and a box of ammo will get you whatever the enemy is carrying if need be. Handguns see relatively small use when compared to rifles. Rifles are the priority.
I would say that we should all consider something along the lines of a scoped 308, 30'06, 7mm Mag, or 300 Mag for long range work, and an AK or SKS for up close firepower. You can get both range and firepower from an MBR, but it is never a bad idea to have more guns.
What do you guys think of the long range/short range combo?
What weapons? What calibers?
 
Great thread cpileri.

I'm pretty understocked on the suggested items, but do have a 10/22 (and several other .22s). However,

I went with the Sig P226 in 9mm, and the Mossberg 500 in 12Ga. I just missed on both, but I think the 500 is almost as common as the 870. I could easily be wrong.:scrutiny:

My only current 30-06 is a Garand, and I know there are lots of extra parts out there. But if you come by my house for supplies, I'll only have ball ammo. None of that modern stuff for my baby, she doesn't like it that hot.;)


RT
 
I too would like to know how the SKS is simpler than the AK. The only explanation Ive seen so far (unless my eye skipped a line or something) is that it needs no tools to dissasemble it, well neither does the AK. The lower price is the only advantage I see.

Im with you on the rest of the list. I hate to admit it but I guess glocks would be ideal, I dont own one but Ive heard nothing but good things about reliability and durability which would be important. And if the pistol is going to be a glock I guess it would have to be a 9mm. Ive heard bad things about the .40 s&w glocks (or maybe that was .40 USPs, whatever) and 10mm isnt common enough to be considered, and the same probably goes for .45 GAP. I hate to go with the silly europellet 9mm over 45 ACP, I feel like a traitor, but I guess Zundfolge is right I'd only be using it to aquire a rifle from a blue hat.
 
The commonality of parts for gunners is a great idea.
As for the ability to get parts from one another, I really do not think it would be that hard if someone has an extra part that you need, make a deal for it. Trade for some ammo or a magazine. Most gun people I have met are pretty good at bartering.

I think that the list may need to have steps. First commonality of calibers, then commonality of actual weapons.
For instance, a Glenfield Model 60 is common but the important thing is first and foremost it is a .22. On and on, SKS or AK as long as they are 7.62,
This is just so the monetary impact would not be as great on startup.

Example:
Model 60
SKS
Mossy 500
Any cheapo 9MM pistol.
Then as is possible add or upgrade.

(This is not intended to be the complete list just an example.)
 
10/22 and .22 caliber pistol ---- CHECK
9mm caliber handgun-- CHECK
.357wheelgun---CHECK
.45 auto---CHECK
.223 evil AR---CHECK
.308bolt action---CHECK
7.62 "ak variant"---working on that



guess maybe I need a shotgun or two. ;)
 
The key word in my phrase "mechanically simpler" is "mechanically". What I meant is that the SKS is put together of fewer separate pieces of metal, fewer screws, rivets, pins, etc.

Also, I'm not sure I'd say an AK is more durable than an SKS. Then again, I've never seen a worn out example of either...
 
1. Ruger 10/22- -
Check plus a Marlin 60, Rossi 62 takedown, 2 more Marlins in .22mag, Sears 70 pump and an old Savage

2. S&W 686 (?)--
Close enough Dan Wesson .357

3. Glock 17/19 --
I'm allergic to plastic so I got 3 1911s and a Beretta

4. AR-15- -
Not yet maybe next tax check

5. AK-variant- -
Check SAR1 and an SKS

6. Rem 700 (in 308 and 30-06)--
Check a NO 03A3 plus 2 lever guns in 30/30

7. 870 in 12ga
Winchester 1300 and a Savage pump gun

Out of all of it I'd probably just lean toward the .45s , the Rossi and the SAR(only because the SKS is a too long Yugo)
 
I am in almost full compliance: I have everything but an AK and a Remington 700 in .308.

I think you have an interesting idea. I hope the thread discusses the idea and the pros and cons of your choices rather than just use this as an opportunity to tell everyone what guns they already own or what their faviorite guns are. But, I fear it is too late for this: most of the posts are just a list of what guns they already own and not germaine to the topic.

I for one am really starved for a good thread that merits some discussion. I realize that everyone likes to brag about what guns they own, or the latest gun they bought etc. But what else can you say about that ? Great. Good for you. Have fun with it. ????

I like the idea. I don't think that many people will buy into it unfortunately. I personally think your list is far too complicated. We all can own as many guns as we like (for now), but the core guns are the ones that need to be the same. The SHTF guns if you like. We don't need to have nine different SHTF guns. We don't need to have 4-5 different rifle calibers. We need ONE rifle caliber. One handgun caliber. One shotgun caliber. And a .22.
The .22 is a given. The 12 gauge probably won't promote much argument. The rest of it, is a can of worms. For my ONE SHTF rifle, I would want a 7.62 Nato caliber rifle. I think it is the more versitile of eveyrthing you mention. It has far better range than the 7.62x39 or the 5.56 rounds, yet it will also work up close if you need it to. If you know you are going to be engaged in CQB then take the shotgun, but if you can't get it, the 7.62 Nato rifle will work. Handgun: I agree with your choice of the 9mm. I am a big huge .45 ACP fan, but if we got something like this going, I think the 9mm would be the way to go. It is a very common civilian caliber. It is a very common police and military caliber. It works well enough and seems to be a better match for the average person. I see no need to complicate things with two different handguns. So, you pick your FOUR basic weapons. Support them with spare parts, magazines, and ammo: as much as you can afford. You train and become good with them. You maintain your skills with them. The rest of your gun collection is for fun. You can own as many others as you want, but these are your go-to guns. These are the guns you would grab if you were forced to leave your home. These are the ones you buy multiple copes of to keep in your vehicle, your cabin, your RV, your boat, in a burial vault, whatever. You are not going to be GOOD with nine different guns. Most people are not going to be able to afford to be good with nine different guns. Most people are not going to be able to affford nine different guns and all the support gear that goes with it.
What does "getting good" with a gun mean ? There is no limit to how good you can get. If you are concentrating on a few guns, the sky is the limit. Good enough is never good enough. With practice any one of the four guns can substitue for the other three in a pinch. You can use the shotgun as a short range rifle. You can use the pistol as a short range rifle. You can use the .22 as a short range rifle. ETC. you get the idea, but this takes dedicated practice and not playing around with all kinds of different guns shooting beer cans.
 
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Mossy 500 - check
I think there are enough of these that parts will be available

Rem 700 .308 - check (in a few weeks anyway, free one coming)
It's stock at the moment, but that may change. Naturally the interchangeability of parts would be affected by any customizations.

AK/SKS - check/check
SAR1, 84S, and Yugo. The SAR and Yugo are ok, but the 84S is kinda rare - dunno about parts for that one.

S&W 686 - have to settle for a 65. Parts no good, but ammo interchangeable.

AR - not yet, the STG will have to do

10/22 - not yet

Glock - never will you see one of these in my collection unless it is free (even then it won't stay around long, I hate the things)

I gotta say I'd pick up my AK before my SKS because of higher ammo capacity, lighter weight, smaller size (especially with the new folder on it). Not that it matters, because the SKS would be in my buddy's hands since he has no weapons. I'm more accurate with the SKS, but any range where the difference is noticeable is far enough away to pull out the scoped bolt gun.

I've got an AK in .223 and in 7.62, so I've got ammo interchangeability either way.


Without a couple of friends with me to haul all this stuff I'd need to get a tactical wheelbarrow or perhaps a carbon fiber Radio Flyer.
 
357 and 9mm? why? I'd dump both.

How about a round that would work as anti-personal and bagging game in a handgun or rifle like the 44mag?

If you'd insist on an anti-personel only addition to the list I'd replace 357/9mm with the 45acp

I'm no handgun hunter, so maybe I'm missing the boat here, but I thought the .357 was a viable deer round. Like I say, I pay no attention to handgun hunting, so maybe I'm wrong.

I'm glad to see everyone is proving my earlier post. We all have the same stuff anyway. There are about 20 firearms we all just have to have, and about the same number of calibers.

Now let's just stock up on ammo, parts, reloading supplies and gunsmithing tools. A lot of you are doing that. The rest of us need to start; it makes sense even if the S does not H the F.
 
just one rifle

Y'know, i thought about trying to settle on just one rifle (and just 4 guns: 22, pistol, rifle, and sg) but then I realized that it had been discussed to death in other p[osts as its alternate incarnation: the dreaded 223 vs 762x39 threads!

Oh the HORROR!

I realized from reading those that some will never ever be convinced, so the best option would be to have one of each so as to have a common weapon with the guy who chose one or the other.

Personally, I am a 308 man for a MBR and I'd skip the 223 and 7.62x39 altogether, IF (and its a big if) the platofrom and ammo were as affordable as the other calibers- esp the AK. The versatility in power, range, and accuracy of the 308 is better than the others I think.

But then I may fail the ubiquitousness requirement.

So again, i purposely tried to be objective and NOT simply pick the ones i already own and make this thread a poor cover for a request that "everyone be like me thread".

And yes, i expected a little straying from the topic. Glad its generating so much interest though.

Any thoughts then on my undecideds like the 357? how about that GP 100 or SP 101? Other calibers I am undecided on too???

C-
 
"so the best option would be to have one of each so as to have a common weapon with the guy who chose one or the other."
Actually, this is your thread. You can say what you want. Not everyone is going to agree with it anyway, so you might as well do things they way you want to and not worrying about everyone's agreement.
I am not sure where you got this idea. I just finished reading the book: Patriots, Surviving the Coming Collapse by James Wesley, Rawles. Their little survival group tried to come up with the same plan. They felt that the 7.62 Nato battle rifle was the only way to go, however, they couldn't get everyone to agree. The women thought it was too heavy or had too much recoil or whatever: so they ended up compromising and standardizing on the HK 91, and the AR15. Personally, I wouldn't choose either one of those weapons if I could only own one rifle, but, If I was a member of a group that standardized on those two weapons, I would consider them to be more than adequate.

Remember, the idea isn't to put together a gun collection. It isn't to buy stuff that you think is cool. It is an exercise in giving serious thought to the pros and cons of each item and whether or not it is the absolute best tool for the job. IMO, you also shouldn't be basing this on what it costs. If you think about the subject and decide that the best tool for the job is X, but X costs $300 more than everything else: then you can either buy the second best stuff, or wait a month or two and get what you really feel you need and not settle for something else. Remember, there is no second place winner in a gunfight. I would have to say that if you were fighting for your life in any manner including starvation, second place is first loser.
 
I totally agree with the idea. I have 3 of those weapons with a 4th on the way. You might think of adding a Mosin and a Makarov to that list. Both the Mosin and Mak are cheap and very easy to use. I have one of each and believe they would make great gifts for a neady friend if the SHTF. Even a firearms novice can be tought how to use, stip, and clean a mosin or mak in 15 min (I have done it several times).
 
1) Ruger 10/22 ---Check, as well as 2 other .22 rifles and 2 .22 handguns

2)S&W 686 ---Check, 4"

3)Glock 17/19 ---NoGo, I'll stick to my 1911's and pray I never run out of ammo or need parts

4)AR-15 ---Check, although I'm considering getting rid of it

5)AK-47 ---Check, SAR-1 and will soon be adding others, as well as a Yugo SKS once my C&R arrives in the mail

6)Rem 700 (.308 & .30-06) ---Check, .308 Rem700PSS, as well as a Garand in .30-06 and a CETME in .308 (soon to possibly be rid of the CETME though)

7)Rem 870 in 12 ga ---Check, 2 (Police Magnum and Express) also a 20ga 870 and a Moss500

I aslo have several Mosin-Nagants, so commonality of ammo and parts won't be an issue with those either.
 
YOU ONLY NEED ONE GUN!

One that works every time you squeeze the trigger.
You are right in thinking that everybody having the same guns and helping the "Freedom Fighters" would be good.
But, I'm sorry, I'd either be there next to you asking for any spare 7.62mm ammo or I'd already be long dead...

"You can take my gun, but it'll be empty and I'll be dead."
 
yeah

If I might quote you to steal the thought, rather than the meaning:

"Remember, the idea isn't to put together a gun collection. It isn't to buy stuff that you think is cool. It is an exercise in giving serious thought to the pros and cons of each item..."

Right!

Not that anyone cares, but I am a 45 Colt wheelgun man myself! I love that thing! Load it with Buffalo Bore 325's and now its a versatile pistol... in and of itself anyway. But not if you figure that relatively few people are into 45 Colts. Its all just swell if ONE member of the squad has a pulsed energy weapon and a lightsabre (and can use The Force), but everyone else mas the M4 in 5.56 and cannot help out that one guy who was lucky enough to salvage an alien crash site for super weapons.

Not to imply the 45 Colt is a super weapon.

Its just that no matter how awesomely destructive, portable, self aiming, heat seeking or whatever it is; if it breaks and no one has spare parts, its junk.

So no matter what I like better, I am still thinking about sacrificing some of my personal tastes and preferences (and money) to ensure group survival.

Another idea was brought up that I like: concentrating on weapons that a beginner/novice can learn to use and field strip, etc the easiest. Do any of the weapon choice so far NOT make that grade?

Does that new criterion help us decide which 357 to go for? or which bolt action model to settle on?

C-
 
cpileri,
I'm glad you caught my main point! I am fairly confident that the majority of us on this board will be fairly well equipped to take care of ourselves in this sort of scenario. Yes, a few might lose or break weapons or parts and need replacements or more ammo. However, the biggest need will come from those who didn't own our use firearms before whatever brought around this SHFT scenario but are now willing to stand beside us in our fight! These people well make up the majority of those who need firearms and they need to be simple to use and clean.

Just my opinion.
 
I am already working on collecting those weapons. Right now I have two 12 ga. and an WASR-10 (AK 7.62x39).
 
cpileri - keep your .45. Just add a couple others, and most important, AMMO. Learn to handload if you don't know how already and stock up some ammo for the .45. There are still guns out there from the French and Indian War that work. That alone proves that a gun will last a LONG time. Ammo is the killer. If you are out of ammo, your gun is a blunt object with a cylinder.
As for me, already got a 12 gauge, 9mm, .22LR, 7.62x39, and 7.62x51. Have others to augment the collection. I don't need to own them all.
I don't even need to own the same models as everyone else. I just need to use some of the same calibers, and stock at least enough ammo to get by.
I personally feel uncomfortable with less than 500 rounds per gun for handguns and rifles. I like more than that for .22LR because it is so cheap. I don't worry much about the shotgun because I only use it for hunting. Fifty or so rounds is fine for me.
I will agree that more can only be better though.
 
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