I never have been able to figure out or get a convincing argument one way or the other about the issue of 18-20 year olds owning and transporting handguns in Ohio. The way the ORC reads to me they can but a lot of people say otherwise and there´s no case law that I know of.
Checking handgun as luggage
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NavyLCDR
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bearcreel said:
There is no ORC that prohibits the possession or transportation of handguns by 18-20 year olds. However, in Ohio, it is illegal for ANYONE to furnish a handgun to a person under 21, even gifting by immediate family member. So, the handgun would have to be acquired, legally, by the 18-20 year old outside Ohio and brought into the state. Several examples would be a non-resident traveler, a military member, or an 18-20 year old person who moved to Ohio with their handguns they already owned.
That's the answer according to Ohio Revised Code, sure it's legal for you (18 to 20 year old) to possess or transport the handgun, but you'll have to explain how you legally came into possession of the handgun in the first place.
I´ve not heard that explanation before. Sounds like it may be a bit risky for the OP to try to fly with his handgun if thats the case, even if he did come by it ´´legitimately´´. I flew to Colorado from Ohio just last week on Southwest with my handgun and didn´t have the slightest problem, but I´m well past any questions about age.
swinokur
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Most airlines' contact of carriage specifically exempts valuables like jewelry, cameras, etc from coverage when packed in checked luggage. Even if locked, checked baggage should not contain those items.
Ironhorse522
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I'm hoping they don't say anything, I talked to a ex sheriffs deputy about the possession laws in Texas, and he said I would be fine as long as I wasn't trying to carry it concealed. It was a legitimate gift from my dad for graduating high school. I received my pelican case and fit it for my 45. It's the perfect case for the people at tsa, they would have to work hard to bust it open well without cutting the locks
Ohio's laws aren't very clear cut, there's no written law forbidding me from possessing it and carry it unloaded in my trunk in a locked case. So in theory they can't touch me and my JMB designed Colt Masterpiece
Ohio's laws aren't very clear cut, there's no written law forbidding me from possessing it and carry it unloaded in my trunk in a locked case. So in theory they can't touch me and my JMB designed Colt Masterpiece
NavyLCDR
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Ironhorse522 said:
I'm confused...
I assume you were gifted the gun from your dad in Texas and are travelling to Ohio?
1. If both you and your dad are Texas residents, the gift happened in Texas, and you are travelling to Ohio for college or whatever other reason, you are good to go.
2. If you are an Ohio resident, and you received the gun from your dad, in Texas, both you and he are violating Federal statutes for unlawful transfer of a firearm between parties who are residents of different states and for transporting a handgun that you received from an out of state source into your state of residence.
3. If the transfer of the firearm took place in Ohio, your dad violated Ohio state law by gifting you the firearm.
Ironhorse522
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Number 1 is right
gearchecker
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I've flown numerous times with a few pistols and ammo packed in my checked luggage and never had any type of hasle. Follow the rules and don't fly your guns thru MASS, NJ or NY and you should be just fine. I've flown thru Pheonix, Denver, Oakland, Detroit and Minneapolis with my pistols, with no issues at all. As long as you don't take custody of it in a gun unfriendly state or province you shouldn't have too much trouble. There isn't an airport in the country that hasn't had a gun go thru their gates.
checked baggage is secure enough that I don't worry about it on my flights. Now lost baggage is something completely different. I'd hate to lose a piece of luggage if there was a gun in it.
If you're flying or taking the train with a gun in your checked baggage, give yourself an extra 1/2 hour for the TSA inspection and lockup.
There are some really good threads discussing this, do a search for TSA checked baggage, or flying with guns.
Best wishes,
Gearchecker
checked baggage is secure enough that I don't worry about it on my flights. Now lost baggage is something completely different. I'd hate to lose a piece of luggage if there was a gun in it.
If you're flying or taking the train with a gun in your checked baggage, give yourself an extra 1/2 hour for the TSA inspection and lockup.
There are some really good threads discussing this, do a search for TSA checked baggage, or flying with guns.
Best wishes,
Gearchecker
http://deviating.net/firearms/
Video http://www.vimeo.com/3923535
This security professional gives a great talk in about flying with firearms with detailed instructions, using good locks and keeping your luggage safe. Also it's a handy way to lock your luggage with real locks (TSA locks are a bad joke) and keep your valuables out of some sticky fingered baggage handlers hands.
Have 2 copies the TSA regulations printed and with you just in case. They do make mistakes you might have to remind them of some details.
Rate your airline and airport! http://deviating.net/firearms/packing/accounts.html
Video http://www.vimeo.com/3923535
This security professional gives a great talk in about flying with firearms with detailed instructions, using good locks and keeping your luggage safe. Also it's a handy way to lock your luggage with real locks (TSA locks are a bad joke) and keep your valuables out of some sticky fingered baggage handlers hands.
Have 2 copies the TSA regulations printed and with you just in case. They do make mistakes you might have to remind them of some details.
Rate your airline and airport! http://deviating.net/firearms/packing/accounts.html
Ironhorse522
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The gun range I was going to buy a membership to in Lima Ohio said that you have to be 21 years or older to discharge a handgun in the state of Ohio but that makes no sense. I also can find no law that backs that up. who can I call to verify that?
NavyLCDR
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Ironhorse522 said:
An Ohio attorney who specializes in firearms law and/or criminal defense. You can try here as well:
http://www.ohioccw.org/
oneounceload
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The bag is inspected and cleared prior to you having it leave your possession. Once cleared, it is on the plane. Do NOT use TSA locks on your gun case -period
No idea where such an idea would come from. It's completely false. I'll look up the the ORC on that and post it tomorrow if I get the chance.
I have flown with pistols many times. The only problem I had once was the TSA could not find the gun that showed up on their xray. They asked me where the gun was. It was in the lid side of the hard sided bag, duh. They had me lock the gun case, then I locked the bag.
Once I was flying with a change of planes in Chicago. My continuation flight was cancelled and there were no seats available the rest of the day. Seeing as I did not want to get caught in Chicago with two pistols, I elected to return home. I told the ticket agent of my problem and she intercepted the bag and it arrived home with me. I can just imagine what would have happened if I checked my pistols in Chicago if I had remained overnight.
I never heard of a TSA lock? chris3
Once I was flying with a change of planes in Chicago. My continuation flight was cancelled and there were no seats available the rest of the day. Seeing as I did not want to get caught in Chicago with two pistols, I elected to return home. I told the ticket agent of my problem and she intercepted the bag and it arrived home with me. I can just imagine what would have happened if I checked my pistols in Chicago if I had remained overnight.
I never heard of a TSA lock? chris3
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ball3006 said:
TSA has a master key for the lock.
Smoovbiscuit
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Im 20 and Ive flown from WA state to DC and back on two occasions, each time I checked one or more handguns with no issues.
According to locksmiths and the Flying with Firearms video posted above and on youtube TSA locks are a joke.
Also zippers are horrifyingly easy to open with no trace using a pointy object to separate the teeth then re-zip using the pull tab. Don't trust zippers for security.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfYuUPcgHg
Also zippers are horrifyingly easy to open with no trace using a pointy object to separate the teeth then re-zip using the pull tab. Don't trust zippers for security.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfYuUPcgHg
swinokur
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TSA Master key for their own locks
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I don't check anything of value other than a gun, and that gets an industrial grade red Master lock I use for safety lockout at work.
I will not touch those TSA crocks, er locks, because the TSA is an unconstitutional bunch of illiterate, uneducated, unwashed, leftist, white-people-hating, minorities*.
*Yes, they overly hire minorities in places like FL, where bilingual means Puerto Rican that can speak English on a 5th grade level.
I will not touch those TSA crocks, er locks, because the TSA is an unconstitutional bunch of illiterate, uneducated, unwashed, leftist, white-people-hating, minorities*.
*Yes, they overly hire minorities in places like FL, where bilingual means Puerto Rican that can speak English on a 5th grade level.
steelerdude99
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It has not been talked about in this thread; but on a previous HighRoad thread it was suggested that you use a cable/lock to tie locked gun case to your suitcase. No method is perfect, but this will make it MORE DIFFICULT for an unscrupulous baggage handler to take a small locked gun case with them for opening at a later time. Baggage handlers SHOULD NOT have unsupervised access to bolt cutters.
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