Chicago "Arsenal" Bust - Chicago Cops Using FOI Database?

[damien]

This story is sketchy. I heard it on the radio earlier. The radio report made sure to point out that he had an "AK-47" in his "arsenal", the printed report does not contain those words. As near as I can tell, there are no charges except for the "'having an unregistered gun within city limits" charge. I think the Chicago cops are using the FOI database to determine residents who have boughts guns outside of the city (i.e. "tracing a weapon") and are raiding them. Am I being paranoid on this one?

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13577764/detail.html?dl=headlineclick

CHICAGO -- Police arrested one man and charges are pending after they seized as many as 26 weapons from an Edison Park home Tuesday night.

The Harrison Area detectives' gun team were tracing a weapon, which led them to an individual in the 7000 block of North Ozark Avenue, police news affairs officer Amina Greer said.

About 8:35 p.m., police searched the Far Northwest Side home, police News Affairs Officer David Banks said.

A male subject was arrested and charges are pending, she said.

 

[jselvy]

Well, is anyone really surprised that registration has led to confiscation?

Jefferson

 

[damien]

First of all, the database says that you bought a gun from a dealer. Real registration says who owns it at a particular time. Illinois' system doesn't do this since a subsequent sale does not need to be registered if it is done by a non-dealer. That said, of course most guns are not resold by a non-dealer so the Illinois police probably have a very good 80% valid database. For certain types of databases, 80% is pretty good.

At any case, it is Illinois "registration" and apparently a Chicago police action. So are Chicago police being given data by the Illinois state police to run down Chicago residents who have bought a gun outside of city limits, assuming they brought the gun back with them?

 

[scout26]

My clubs pistol team has a couple of people who live in Chicago, they bought pistols in suburbs, and by they time they got home the CPD CAGE unit was standing on their doorsteps waiting for them asking "Where are the guns/pistols you just bought. Fortunately, they keep them stored at our club or at a friend's home.

Yep, the ISP "freely" shares the FOID/NICS info with the CPD. And the ISP maintains a "database" *ahem, resgistration* of all NICS calls. They know what you own and when you bought it. Couple of years ago the ISRA made a deal with the anti's to "close the gun show loophole" (NICS checks at gunshows) if the ISP would follow the federal law and destroy the NICS data after, IIRC, 72 hours. The anti's agreed and then through some backhanded legislative trickery got the gunshow NICS checks passed and signed without the provision that would destroy the database. It's still referred to as "The Deal with the Devil" and the ISRA and NRA who had pushed it lost a lot of cred with gunowners after that fiasco. They learned the hard way and have since become more aggresive.

Sadly, I lost everything I've ever purchased in tragic boating accident several years ago.

 

[damien]

Sadly, I lost everything I've ever purchased in tragic boating accident several years ago.

That's sort of my point with the fact that you don't reregister subsequent sales in Illinois. You are required to keep a bill of sale for 10 years if you do a sale. So of course, if asked where my Colt AR-15 is someday, the answer will be "Bought it in '92, sold it in '93, ripped up the bill of sale in '03 in accordance with the state law. Wish I could tell you where it is now but records retention ran out in '03. ". You don't even need to have a boating accident.

 

[Kingcreek]

Am I being paranoid on this one?

Yes.
But just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

 

[jselvy]

Isn't it odd that you have to circumvent the LAW to exercise a RIGHT?

Jefferson

 

[freakazoid]

Isn't it odd that you have to circumvent the LAW to exercise a RIGHT?

Oh surely not. The law is the law and thus must be followed or worked to be changed, and until it is changed don't you dare circumvent it.

 

[nucstl1]

Not enough information

I don't like the idea of the IPS knocking on my door based on gun purchases, but there is not quite enough information provided in the story. Most law abiding gun-owners I know in Crook County have moved their collections to more friendly territory.

 

[obxned]

I'm sure glad I don't live there. Stuff like this makes King George seem like an enlightened, benevolent leader.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Who knows what the real story is--will it matter?

The story was just so much filler spiced with 'AK-47'; sausage meat with nitrates and fennel added for flavor. The Chicago press in concert with the 'Ministry of truth' does this every day.

Nothing encourages anyone to ask some probing questions about the individual being accussed.

Next we'll find out he was a customer of Chuck's in Riverdale.


Oh, and they almost forgot--he was breaking the Cook County ASW, too--or so it would seem.

 

[jselvy]

Well if they are willing to do this:

6/26/2007

Illinois County Admits to Seizing Cars to Generate Cash
Lee County, Illinois is counting on a new car seizure program to boost revenue.

Officials in Lee County, Illinois admit the primary purpose behind laws and ordinances authorizing the seizure of automobiles is to make money. The county board last week approved a plan to create a new vehicle impound area by fencing off a section of an existing parking lot.

"If we have an area we can put vehicles, we'll seize more vehicles and sell vehicles," Varga told the Sauk Valley Telegraph newspaper. "It gives us an opportunity to seize more and generate money for the county."

On June 14, the county board's finance committee by a 3-2 vote approved spending $10,000 out of a capital improvement fund to pay for the new fencing on the grounds that it would save $12,000 a year in storage fees paid to a private lot. The only disagreement was whether the $10,000 should have come out of the sheriff's budget.

Last month, the sheriff generated $13,912 in revenue from traffic tickets (the equivalent of $170,000 a year). For this county of 36,000 residents, municipal and county police together generated $63,737 in revenue (the equivalent of $770,000 a year).

Source: County to build impound parking (Sauk Valley Telegraph, 6/25/2007)

What else are they going to confiscate to increase revenue?

Jefferson

 

[Don Gwinn]

If he actually had an AK-47 variant, it was probably illegal in Cook County. It would have violated the Assault Weapon Ban there. I don't think there are many (if any) AK-47 variants of any type or make that pass muster in Cook County.

If they charged him with violating the city ordinance, that should be a misdemeanor.

 

[Autolycus]

The Cook County ban really only applies to unincorporated areas of the county. I am not sure if this guy was in one or not but keep that it in mind.

 

[M110]

Chicago is going to do what it wants in Chicago. I have heard of no such arrest in the greater crook county area. "outside of schiticago"

 

[748]

"Am I being paranoid on this one?"
To many people fall prey to insufficient paranoia.

 

[Thin Black Line]

My clubs pistol team has a couple of people who live in Chicago, they bought pistols in suburbs, and by they time they got home the CPD CAGE unit was standing on their doorsteps waiting for them asking "Where are the guns/pistols you just bought. Fortunately, they keep them stored at our club or at a friend's home.

Yep, the ISP "freely" shares the FOID/NICS info with the CPD. And the ISP maintains a "database" *ahem, resgistration* of all NICS calls. They know what you own and when you bought it. Couple of years ago the ISRA made a deal with the anti's to "close the gun show loophole" (NICS checks at gunshows) if the ISP would follow the federal law and destroy the NICS data after, IIRC, 72 hours. The anti's agreed and then through some backhanded legislative trickery got the gunshow NICS checks passed and signed without the provision that would destroy the database. It's still referred to as "The Deal with the Devil" and the ISRA and NRA who had pushed it lost a lot of cred with gunowners after that fiasco. They learned the hard way and have since become more aggresive.

Scout26, everytime some so-called pro-2A person/group chimes in with the
"national instant check is good" line of fish bait, you need to be there with
this story. Instant check will lead to instant registration. Period.