Chicago commuter train detained, passengers searched by police with auto weapons...

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*** is this country coming to. I was almost on this train - but managed to catch the one just before it.

The "good citizen" who called this in claimed they overheard another passenger say that they have a gun. So f'ing what?! In IL it is perfectly legal to have a gun, in one's enclosed and zipped bag as long as it is unloaded. What's more - what if the conversation was a joke? Someone talking about a bb gun? Paint gun? Discussing his private parts? Seriously who gives a ****!?

I am furious and this is the best place to air that fury - debate away. Here is the link to the news clip. BTW: the automatic weapons part in the subject - that's sheeple for you, these cops probably carried MP5 or AR type weapons and were from the local SWAT division. For all we know they were just handguns but the people on the scene don't know what they're looking at.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/01/metra-train-halted-passengers-searched.html
 
The article:

Metra train halted; passengers searched
January 14, 2009 9:39 AM

Metra BNSF Line trains are stopped in the west suburbs this morning as police armed with semi-automatic weapons evacuated and searched train passengers in Lisle, officials said.

Metra spokesman Tom Miller said the No. 1252 express train had been stopped at the Lisle station since around 8 a.m., but only said "police activity" was the reason and had no further comment.

The express train, scheduled to arrive at Chicago's Union Station at 8:34 a.m., was not scheduled to stop at the Lisle.

Police were contacted after a ticket agent called 911, saying a suspicious man was asking "unusual questions that were security based" at the Naperville Metra station, according to Cmdr. Dave Hoffman. They were unsure if the man got on the train so authorities decided to stop it near Lisle to search for the man, he said.

A source said someone reported overhearing a male passenger say he had a gun and called police from a cell phone. Hoffman could not comment on the report and Lisle police could not immediately comment.

Several hundred passengers from the emptied cars were milling about in the Lisle station this morning after authorities cleared several of the train cars.

A rider said a message over the intercom told passengers to take seat and that cars would be evacuated one at a time and riders would be searched. The train, which was stopped on the middle track of the three-track rail, had last stopped in Naperville before heading inbound toward Chicago.

The rider, who asked not to be named, said riders on his packed train were waiting to be taken off their car.

"Everybody's calling in work, sending in e-mails, stuff like that," he said.


-- Staff report
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Isn't it illegal to have a weapon on a commuter train in Chicago? I would presume that it could be, since (AFAIK) the state does not support concealed carry of loaded weapons on the part of normal folk.

If it was unloaded - could you carry on the train or does the train (like the bus services) prohibit weapons of any kind as a matter of policy?
 
Loaded - illegal. Unloaded transport - permitted by state law. There may very well be some regulation on the part of Metra (the train operator) - but it is not published nor posted. On the contrary, they encourage people to "if you see something, say something" via posters and regular annoucements.

As for "police with semi auto" - it wouldn't read the same as "police with revolvers" :D
 
How many of the passengers declined the offer to be searched?
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Man, I probably missed a big payout by a few weeks!

After I got off Amtrak, I rode the Metra from downtown to my mother's place. As usual, I was wearing my NRA cap and reading a gun book.

"Officer, am I free to leave?"

"Officer, I do not consent to any searches."

"Officer, I will not speak further without an attorney present."

Man, if it was the Chicago PD, there's gold in them thar hills! :D
 
Man, I probably missed a big payout by a few weeks!

After I got off Amtrak, I rode the Metra from downtown to my mother's place. As usual, I was wearing my NRA cap and reading a gun book.

"Officer, am I free to leave?"

"Officer, I do not consent to any searches."

"Officer, I will not speak further without an attorney present."

Man, if it was the Chicago PD, there's gold in them thar hills!


EXACTLY WHAT THE RIGHT RESPONSE SHOULD BE !!!!!!!!!
 
Man, if it was the Chicago PD, there's gold in them thar hills!

You can collect while your in the hospital recovering from that gunshot to your back while handcuffed after being stripsearched in the snow. We are talking about the Chicago Police here.
 
I don't think there are any big civil lawsuit payouts in Chicago, the local politicians aren't about to let an average citizen get away with their cash.
 
Apparently the Special (aren't they all "special") Agent asked the ticket seller if there were any metal detectors onboard since he was carrying a gun.

Doesn't that make you feel better just knowing how polite (read stupid) they really are?
 
"I got a gun . . . They were on sale at Home Depot."

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'Suspicious' rider was Secret Service agent
January 14, 2009 11:39 AM | 4 Comments

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The suspicious person who caused an unscheduled two-hour stop for a Metra train this morning and a search of its passengers was a U.S. Secret Service agent.

Metra spokeswoman Judy Pardonnet said the incident began when a plainclothes Secret Service agent asked a Naperville ticket agent whether there were metal detectors aboard the BNSF Line train and indicated he was carrying a gun.

So the ticket agent says heres your ticket have a nice trip.?! Why didn't he say, you can't have a gun on the train or refuse to give him a ticket and call security? Thats what happens when you make the police above the law and give them special privileges they cause inconvenience to everyone else.
 
Heh-heh. Naperville, in the house!

I've been to Lisle and its train station, way back about twelve/thirteen years ago when I did some work for R.R. Donnelley, which had a technology center "corporetum" there. That train station was one boring place to spend two hours. So was R.R. Donnelley ...
 
Man, if it was the Chicago PD, there's gold in them thar hills!
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Is there a history "big payouts" in this kind of case?

If you are frisked w/o your consent, and the court does decide in your favor, are you likely to get anything more than court costs?

I am not arguing, I just wonder what monetary damages you will be likely to claim.

I thought that most "Terry frisk" cases ended up suppressing/not suppressing evidence, not in monetary damages.

Do you have some citations where an "Terry frisk" suit produced sizable monetary damages?

Mike
 
Metra spokeswoman Judy Pardonnet said the incident began when a plainclothes Secret Service agent asked a Naperville ticket agent whether there were metal detectors aboard the BNSF Line train and indicated he was carrying a gun.
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Pardonnet said the ticket agent acted properly.
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I'm sorry but I totally disagree. This ticket agent did not act properly.

The SS agent said that he was unfamiliar with procedure since he had not ridden the train before. His questions to the ticket agent appear to me to be questions related to procedure. If the ticket agent had bothered to mention the policy I would think that the SS agent would have shown ID.
 
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