Chicago Murder rates plummet

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Stevie-Ray said:
Between 12-1-77 and 2-28-78 in Chicago, over 80 inches of snow fell, yet there were over 800 murders that year. Can't seem to find out how many were in the first quarter, but that would be interesting to find out, since so many are blaming the weather. If there were more than 60 or 70, I wouldn't be quite so quick to lay this good news on weather alone.
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But that's back when men were men. Even the criminals are turning pansy now.

Springtime will tell the whole story on the Chicago crime rate. I tend to lean with the crowd that says CCW won't have any effect up there. It's a morals, ethics, and responsibility problem that nothing will fix overnight.
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Stevie-Ray said:
Between 12-1-77 and 2-28-78 in Chicago, over 80 inches of snow fell, yet there were over 800 murders that year. Can't seem to find out how many were in the first quarter, but that would be interesting to find out, since so many are blaming the weather. If there were more than 60 or 70, I wouldn't be quite so quick to lay this good news on weather alone.

Sure it has. Been going down in Michigan rather steadily ever since shall issue, and shall issue has been steadily improving every year. Wayne county, for example, now boasts probably a quarter of the time needed to get your CPL, as opposed to inception.
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I meant between last year and this year, actually first few months of both years.
Dave
 
I always warn people about hanging the hat of their natural rights on the fickle hook of statistics.

Especially when its a single sketchy data point that falls pretty obviously into the correlation-is-not-causation category.
 
Well the ISRA is taking credit for this and the recent incident where a CCW holder allegedly shot at two assailants ( I say allegedly because no one was hit, no one was arrested and there was no property damage, must have been using those new bullets that vaporize harmlessly 5 feet past their intended target).

From today's Thursday ISRA Bulletin:

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact...wB8EQQRnnwSpMYFjJ6FWgUnuRLVmnrkmRYnp7v0E1dg==

Word travels fast in any street-wise environment so I am sure not only are there two guys considering alternate career options but there are others who are re-evaluating their career choice as well.
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Now that they have solved the violent crime problem in Chicago, sending all the gang bangers running for the sanctuary of clean living, I'm wondering what's next on their agenda.

Crime is a complicated social problem. It's been proven time and again, that guns and laws regulating them have no effect on the crime rate. CCW laws allow people to have the means to defend themselves. That is their benefit. That is the benefit society receives from them.
 
Too early to make any assumptions on the reduction in murders.

Like other have said I think the weather is mostly to credit.
 
The one thing I've learned about "short term statistics" or "short term trends" is that they are pushed the hardest by those whose agenda they support. They are NEVER pushed by those who value honest trends...at best, they are treated as "indicators".

The current short term trend being discussed here cannot possibly be related to anything in particular at this time until it's looked at in the bigger perspective...several months, or years, down the road from now.
 
The one thing I've learned about "short term statistics" or "short term trends" is that they are pushed the hardest by those whose agenda they support. They are NEVER pushed by those who value honest trends...at best, they are treated as "indicators".
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Ah.....but,

When the other side uses any and all statistics, including outright lies to push their agenda, and actually succeed in gaining much of the weak-minded to their side, I have no problem with our side doing the same. Keep with the Don't lower yourself to their level, and the Yeah, but we're above all that attitudes and eventually you'll find how lonely it is at "the top."
 
Stevie-Ray said:
Ah.....but,

When the other side uses any and all statistics, including outright lies to push their agenda, and actually succeed in gaining much of the weak-minded to their side, I have no problem with our side doing the same. Keep with the Don't lower yourself to their level, and the Yeah, but we're above all that attitudes and eventually you'll find how lonely it is at "the top."
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I have a problem with doing the same because the likely end result is a loss of credibility when the data turns out to be crud.

We don't gain ground by slinging mud like the opposition...we gain ground by building a rock-solid foundation and reputation for being honest and correct. If the oppositions' best rebuttal to our statistics is to toss out lies which can be easily refuted for what they are, then we come out ahead. If all the opposition can do is stutter "but...but...but..." in the face of our statistics, then we come out ahead.


We can't afford to use shady tactics...because WE'RE supposed to be the ones in the right! If we're caught using shady tactics, then our honor and integrity take a serious blow.
 
Read it and weep. Chicago is a cesspool of corruption and lies brought to you by the Democratic Party.

"For the case of Tiara Groves is not an isolated one. Chicago conducted a 12-month examination of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics going back several years, poring through public and internal police records and interviewing crime victims, criminologists, and police sources of various ranks. We identified 10 people, including Groves, who were beaten, burned, suffocated, or shot to death in 2013 and whose cases were reclassified as death investigations, downgraded to more minor crimes, or even closed as noncriminal incidents—all for illogical or, at best, unclear reasons."


http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/
 
"Well the ISRA is taking credit for this and the recent incident where a CCW holder allegedly shot at two assailants ( I say allegedly because no one was hit, no one was arrested and there was no property damage, must have been using those new bullets that vaporize harmlessly 5 feet past their intended target)."

Obviously the CSI couldn't pick out the shooter's bullet holes from all the others on that wall ;)

TCB
 
Unlikely the law had very much to do directly with the drop in crime, although that's what a lot of people like to think.

It does debunk the gun-grabbers' mantra that relaxed gun laws lead to an increase in crime. In other words, there's no apparent correlation. That's the strongest interpretation of the overall data showing drop in crime nationally while gun ownership and and relaxation of gun laws have increased.
 
I lived in the area and let me tell you, it is not CCW. It is the weather. It was the worst weather in Illinois history. It always happens when it is too cold and the weather is terrible. Criminologists have confirmed this many times.

In Chicago when the temperature rises in the summer, the natives will get restless. And to be fair CCW is not really likely to have an effect on the vast majority of crimes as they are gang related and in between criminals. If you are into that lifestyle then your chances of getting killed in Chicago will increase dramatically. And the same for most murders as they are personal if they are not gang/drug related. Most likely a family member or friend doing the murdering.

Either way it is good that Illinois now allows CCW, but I don't see the crime rate dropping because of it.
 
I wouldn't believe anything out of McStreetlightAssassins mouth or any other City mouthpiece. They have been manipulating and distorting the UCR and other stats there for decades.
 
The majority of people killing each other in Chicago are gang bangers killing gang bangers. Allowing CHLs won't reduce this.

Now that the weather is warmer they are murdering each other in record numbers. Honestly, as long as civilians aren't getting killed, I don't have a problem with this.
 
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....and as the temperature rises so does the violence. As predicted.







http://politics.suntimes.com/articl...laws-hamper-crime-fighting/mon-04142014-118pm



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FBI chief blames ‘ingrained’ gang culture for city homicide rate


Mon, 04/14/2014 - 1:18pm

Jon Seidel and Kim Janssen


Earlier Monday, McCarthy again complained that “lax state and federal gun laws” are hampering his department’s ability to stem street violence. And, he said, “Weather doesn’t cause crime.”

“It creates conditions which may contribute to crime,” McCarthy said. “It doesn’t prevent crime, either.”

Four people were killed and 33 were wounded in shootings this weekend, including a 24-year-old mother of two.
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Of course weather prevents crime! Can't do drive-by's if no one's standing outside to be shot!


How does he explain hundreds of murders in the warm months and if even a 100 murders in the cold months?

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BamAlmighty said:
The majority of people killing each other in Chicago are gang bangers killing gang bangers. Allowing CHLs won't reduce this.

Now that the weather is warmer they are murdering each other in record numbers. Honestly, as long as civilians aren't getting killed, I don't have a problem with this.
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I agree with those sentiments. Especially the last sentence. :)
 
Ghetto loving politicians will never admit that their politics are to blame for all the inner city violence and crime. They rather blame the responsible gun owners while their gang bangers kill each other.
 
Earlier Monday, McCarthy again complained that “lax state and federal gun laws” are hampering his department’s ability to stem street violence. And, he said, “Weather doesn’t cause crime.”

“It creates conditions which may contribute to crime,” McCarthy said. “It doesn’t prevent crime, either.”
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Maybe the city should hire a group of armed men to patrol the streets or something.
 
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