Chicken Grease Guns

[RetiredUSNChief]

Seems to me that using an organic grease like this for this purpose would be somewhat less effective than using petroleum based grease. It would be more susceptable to breakdown through exposure to the elements and bacteria.

Beats me why someone would do this, as opposed to simply buying a can of bearing grease or something.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

Gunny
Thanks for posting
This was a cool thread.

 

[MistWolf]

soak it for a few days in diesel fuel or kerosene.

Cooking oil isn't petroleum based. It's organic. Even so, hot water and dish soap or a soap like Purple Power degrease better than even petroleum based solvents.

 

[H&R Glock]

I was going to suggest boiling water too, but more importantly,...... get a search warrant for KFC and an arrest warrant for Colonel Sanders!
Great pictures sarge! Thank you for posting this stuff. Never figured anyone to be that dumb. I'll bet the Ar was stolen anyway?

 

[Coop45]

Do you shoot the chicken fat guns before or after lunch?

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Seems to me that using an organic grease like this for this purpose would be somewhat less effective than using petroleum based grease. It would be more susceptable to breakdown through exposure to the elements and bacteria.

Beats me why someone would do this, as opposed to simply buying a can of bearing grease or something.

Your right that the cooking grease does break down. At first it gets really gummy then it starts to get hard. Once it gets hard it starts to dry and things go bas fast.
I’m pretty sure the guys that are using cooking grease don’t know much about guns and oil.
It was most likely a stolen, but the SN# was not in the NCIC system, so it was not reported stolen.
I like to shoot the chicken grease guns before lunch.

 

[Brandon B]

Seems to me that using an organic grease like this for this purpose would be somewhat less effective than using petroleum based grease. It would be more susceptable to breakdown through exposure to the elements and bacteria.

Beats me why someone would do this, as opposed to simply buying a can of bearing grease or something.

I don’t think the people that are stashing these “chicken grease guns” are very knowledgeable in firearm preservation. I assume after using their firearm for whatever crime they committed, they have two options.
1- throw the firearm in a river, lake, ditch etc and risk it being found
Or
2- stash the firearm somewhere where it is less likely to be found by others, but maybe can be reused in the future.

I think the “chicken grease” is a quick afterthought like “hey, maybe I should throw something on this in hopes that it can still function in 1,2,5 years when I dig it up”

I highly doubt these guys even clean their guns or keep well care of them.


Maybe Gunny can touch bases on that? Do most Murder weapons you work with seem to be cared for? Wether it’s brand new or used, do you come across Murder weapons that are properly oiled/lubed/greased?

 

[GunnyUSMC]

I don’t think the people that are stashing these “chicken grease guns” are very knowledgeable in firearm preservation. I assume after using their firearm for whatever crime they committed, they have two options.
1- throw the firearm in a river, lake, ditch etc and risk it being found
Or
2- stash the firearm somewhere where it is less likely to be found by others, but maybe can be reused in the future.

I think the “chicken grease” is a quick afterthought like “hey, maybe I should throw something on this in hopes that it can still function in 1,2,5 years when I dig it up”

I highly doubt these guys even clean their guns or keep well care of them.


Maybe Gunny can touch bases on that? Do most Murder weapons you work with seem to be cared for? Wether it’s brand new or used, do you come across Murder weapons that are properly oiled/lubed/greased?

There is money in drugs and the occupation of selling drugs is pretty dangerous. A lot of these low level dealers are in small gangs. We have a bunch of them with name# like The Baby Gorillas (BG’s), The Neighborhood Allstars, Young Gorillas (YG’s) and The Brookstown Boys. They fight amongst themselves and are not afraid to get into a gun fight.
They have been arming themselves better over the years. The three top brands of guns are S&W, Taurus and Glock. The S&W SD9VE & SD40VE being the most popular. We are starting to see a lot more AR’s too.
You would be surprised at how many new guns we pickup on the streets. But I do get some junk too.
Most often the guns are not that filthy. The bad guys are learning that they need to keep their guns in working order.
I’m keep track of the make and model of the guns I shoot this month and will most likely do a topic on it. I should have over 130 guns to test fire in March.
For February, I only test fire 86 guns, but only worked three weeks.

 

[bikerdoc]

Back in the day we found a hand gun covered with bacon grease. Hot water and soap and lots of scrubbing.

 

[gulogulo1970]

Pork fat! That makes my iron skillets water proof, they're black and beautiful. Dawn can't get rid of that stuff.

I wouldn't feel under greased if only left with bacon fat. Think of the wonderful smell when you shot it.

 

[WestKentucky]

Under the circumstances as to why many of these guns are likely stored, I’m kinda surprised they aren’t “stored” in a very acidic or very salty solution. I don’t understand the point of preserving them when guns are easily acquired through illegal means, it’s preserving a liability rather than destroying it. I guess it’s a good thing they aren’t using that rationale....

Gunny, how many do you get that have been butchered in an attempt to destroy evidence?

 

[bbqreloader]

I get about 6 to 8 Chicken Grease Guns a year. Most often they are stashed away after being used in a homicide.
Most of the guns I get are in very good shape, but there a few that have seen better days.

I would so love to be able to put that on one our evidence tags,
1- Chicken Grease Gun
Location Found: Dumpster behind KFC

 

[RecoilRob]

OK.....so nobody's said it....forcing me to be the one: An AK would have run just fine! Proof that the AR's are junk.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Under the circumstances as to why many of these guns are likely stored, I’m kinda surprised they aren’t “stored” in a very acidic or very salty solution. I don’t understand the point of preserving them when guns are easily acquired through illegal means, it’s preserving a liability rather than destroying it. I guess it’s a good thing they aren’t using that rationale....

Gunny, how many do you get that have been butchered in an attempt to destroy evidence?

In the Baton Rouge area we have plenty of places they can ditch a gun if the wish to get rid of one. We have the Capital Lake, LSU Lake and two bridges over the Mississippi River.
Guns and cartridge cases are matched up in a few ways . First off there is the barrel and the rifling marks that are transferred to the bullets. On a barrel that has a chamber, chamber marks are transferred to the cartridge case. Then you have the breach face, extractor, ejector, firing pin and firing pin aperture. All of these leave a fingerprint.
Now if you were to change all of these in a way that it would mark different, you would never have to get rid of the gun.
There is a market in gun trafficking that many don’t know about. Guns used in one area are bought up and then sold in another city or state.
I have matched some shootings and guns to shootings that took place 5 to 10 years ago. Kind of like the gun went into retirement and came back.

 

[Kano383]

To get rid of caked veg oil and fat, boiling water/caustic soda solution works miracles (of course, warnings, will poach your eyes right inside their sockets, yadda, yadda... ). It finds crud in places you did not even know existed.

 

[Acelaw]

You're a forensic examiner gunny? Very cool. I do defense work - most attorneys in my office think y'all speak Greek!

 

[GunnyUSMC]

You're a forensic examiner gunny? Very cool. I do defense work - most attorneys in my office think y'all speak Greek!

I’m just a NIBIN Examiner. All I deal with is the breach face markings on cartridge cases. Basically I test fire all the evidence guns and get all the cartridge cases picked up at crime scenes. I determine what is entered into the National data base for my department, which come out to around 3000 cartridge cases a year. It takes about 10 to 15 min. to enter each cartridge case. Once they are in the system I compare them to possible matches the database pulls up based on the information I entered. When I get a match I relate the information to several people including the DA’s Spl task force. If the match needs to be confirmed, I submit the evidence to the State Crime Lab and a Firearms/tool mark Examiner will microscopically compair and confirm the match, which can then be used in court.
I took over NIBIN for my department back in 2012. At the time we were matching 40 to 50 shootings a year with a 80% confirmation. I tend to be good at the things I do, I guess I’m a little anal when it comes to my work. My first year in NIBIN I matched 64 shootings with a 95% confirmation. My numbers have increased each year. Last year I matched up just over 250 shootings with a 99.99% confirmation.

 

[Acelaw]

Nice. Sense like a good gig for a gun enthusiast

 

[H&R Glock]

With that many pieces of evidence to store, the state must have a vast storage capacity. Where are all these pieces stored, and where do you get the money to store them? Federally financed I hope.

Keep the interesting stories coming. I always get a chuckle out of your anecdotes.

My brother was a lab scientist for the state of Wisconsin and did all the blood alcohol tests for the state. He also did forensic work. He testified in court many times. They even sent him to New York to testify at a trial. They convicted a guy once for evidence found on his false teeth!

 

[FROGO207]

BUT did the gun taste like fried chicken?? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks for sharing these fact filled posts gunny.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

With that many pieces of evidence to store, the state must have a vast storage capacity. Where are all these pieces stored, and where do you get the money to store them? Federally financed I hope.
!

I work in the State Police crime lab, but I work for the city police. We have an evidence warehouse that is 40,000 square feet.
More then 90% of the guns I shoot end up destroyed once the case is adjudicate.
It’s a shame.

 

[FROGO207]

Those three barrels look like one heck of a jig saw puzzle to me.

 

[bannockburn]

Gunny

You're doing a great job with your 99.99% confirmation rate! Very well done sir!

And your right: seeing all those destroyed guns is a shame and a waste too.

 

[KansasSasquatch]

Heat gun. Leave grease in a skillet for a day and it starts to solidify. Heat it up and it turns back into a liquid. Heat the metal up a little, let the grease liquify, and just wipe it off. It shouldn't take long. A lot less mess than boiling water and soap, and easier to store. It should work for the grease that is still "gummy" but for the stuff that's crusty it may not since most of the moisture is gone. For the crusty stuff I would try a stiff brass-wire brush" I'd avoid a stainless brush since it could put scratches on metal parts that might make forensic matching more difficult.

 

[alexander45]

Oddly enough a guy on a facebook page I follow had a 1911 and berreta 92 brought to him that the current owners had covered in veggie oil wrapped in tin foil and stuck in the bottom broiler drawer of their oven for safe keeping. We are currently waiting on more info as to ***?