Chile: Gun Owners Hell

[Nickel Plated]

Ops...I guess Texas isn't an 'industrialized country'.

It's not.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Maybe we should give California back to Mexico. I'll bet within six months most of the rabid anti gun foamers would be singing a different tune.

 

[Ignition Override]

Even if Chilean gun regulations Were based on common sense, imagine the difficulty, cost and time needed for people to fly back and forth to visit family members (to/from the US).

 

[vamo]

Ops...I guess Texas isn't an 'industrialized country'.

Deaf

It isn't its a state and part of the U.S.

My point was that just about every industrial nation that is not the U.S. is going to have as strict or worse gun laws than our strictest states. There is no gun owners utopia out there, the U.S is the best we have and some of our states are better than others.

 

[alfon99]

Another potential retirement country now discarded.

You should come to uruguay down here. there are just 2 permits for everything, with the first permit you can have rifles up to 6.5mm, pistols up to 9mm, all calibers in shotguns and up to .44 mag in revolvers. With the second permit you can have everything included machine-guns which are completely legal, the only problem is that civilians can't import machine-guns, so it must have been in the army for you to buy it. If they catch you with a weapon that is not registered, doesnt matter if it's a machine gun, they give you six months to make it legal or give it to the authorities, and a 100 dollar fine.

 

[alfon99]

This is not surprising. The people of the "Southern Cone" (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay) consider themselves to be "Europeans" and they pattern their laws and culture after the European models.

If you're looking for a place with gun rights, look no farther than the good ole USA. As bad as things sometimes get here (think New York, New Jersey, California), they're still a lot better than most other places in the world. Yes, there are looser gun laws in places like Yemen or Somalia, but would you really like to live there?

Wrong. Youre right with argentina and chile, but with uruguay youre wrong. I live in uruguay and It's easier than in the US. You can legally own anything.

 

[oneounceload]

Why would you want to live in a country where lifesaving medical treatment may not be available untill well after you're dead?

Ya mean, like where we're headed?

Because they can always go to other locations if need be, but their normal day-to-day is a lot less hectic.......

 

[HoosierQ]

I find it a little hard to believe that people are finding this odd regarding Chile. At various times, particularly in the 20th century, Chile has been one of the most repressive and corrupt places in the Western Hemisphere. Allende (a communist) followed by Pinoche (a fascist) doesn't give their human rights much of a gold star. Unlike some of the countries farther north where the government does do much, the Chilean government has always ruled that place with an iron fist. I think today it is better by and large and for the average middle class citizen who keeps his mouth shut and his nose out of the government's business, life down there could probably be pretty peaceful. So were not (or never were) talking Pol Pot's Cambodia here. But I sure wouldn't want to be somebody going around freely expressing my opinions of the government like we in America are free to do. People do a whole lot of "dissapearing" in Chile (as well as Argentina).

This view of gun rights fits in 100% with what I would expect from Chile.

I hear to food is good down there though!

 

[OV1kenobi]

You should come to uruguay down here. there are just 2 permits for everything, with the first permit you can have rifles up to 6.5mm, pistols up to 9mm, all calibers in shotguns and up to .44 mag in revolvers. With the second permit you can have everything included machine-guns which are completely legal, the only problem is that civilians can't import machine-guns, so it must have been in the army for you to buy it. If they catch you with a weapon that is not registered, doesnt matter if it's a machine gun, they give you six months to make it legal or give it to the authorities, and a 100 dollar fine.

Alfon:

Very interesting regarding the permit system in Uruguay. I few questions, if you please:

1. What are the fees for the two different permits?
2. Must one be a citizen, or can legal permanent residents apply?
3. Are the permits fairly easy to acquire, or must one be among the "favored ones" i.e., connected in some way?
4. Is there a database kept on all purchases?
5. Assuming one has one of the permits, how does a person go about actually purchasing a firearm?

If you have the time, I look forward to your answers, as I am very curious. On the surface, it does read as though it were easier than many states in the U.S.

Regards,

David

 

[oneounceload]

Uruguay has the world's highest per capita rate of gun ownership, with one out of three Uruguayans owning a firearm, according to figures released Tuesday by the Institute of Legal and Social Studies (IELSUR), a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Up to December 2012, 584,112 guns were registered in Uruguay, and the number of unregistered firearms is expected to double, in a country of just 3.4 million people, the NGO's Luis Pedernera told a local radio station.

The rate is almost as much as in "countries such as Iraq, where there is a latent armed conflict," said Pedernera, adding the prevalence of guns puts Uruguay in the same position as "Colombia and Brazil, where firearms are highly used."

Funded by the European Union, the NGO unveiled a gun-control project this week, which is called "action for a democratic security policy; towards a national plan of civilian disarmament."

The released figures will help Uruguayans "discuss an issue of concern that is barely visible. This issue should really raise our concern," said Pedernera.

The NGO representative said Uruguay's gun-ownership laws "need to be aligned with international standards" to send the message that "firearms are not a right of the people, but a tool of the state for specific actions".

"We have to include the issue in the Uruguayan agenda, because this will have a positive effect on quality of life," he said.

Uruguay's Congress is currently debating a bill that would punish illegal possession of guns and trafficking in firearms.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-06/05/c_132431749.htm

 

[alfon99]

Alfon:

Very interesting regarding the permit system in Uruguay. I few questions, if you please:

1. What are the fees for the two different permits?
2. Must one be a citizen, or can legal permanent residents apply?
3. Are the permits fairly easy to acquire, or must one be among the "favored ones" i.e., connected in some way?
4. Is there a database kept on all purchases?
5. Assuming one has one of the permits, how does a person go about actually purchasing a firearm?

If you have the time, I look forward to your answers, as I am very curious. On the surface, it does read as though it were easier than many states in the U.S.

Regards,

David

Hi, I will answer all of your questions.
1) The fees are for the first permit 1080 uruguayan pesos which is around 53 US dollars. For the second permit is 0.60 uruguayan pesos which is about 0.02 dollars (almost nothing)
2) Legal permanent residents apply.
3) It is the same for everyone.
4) your purchases are kept on a database, they give you a paper that says all the weapon specs and that, like a gun ID.
5) When buying a firearm, you go to a gun shop, you buy the gun, and then you have to "register" it. You have to go to a place where they check the gun and all that and they give you like a "gun ID" where it says the gun specs.
SOMETHING IMPORTANT: If you are not buying machineguns, or other things illegal in the US it is better in the US. Because if you are going to buy a .22lr it is easier in the US than in Uruguay, but if you are going to buy a full auto AR-15 it is much-much easier in uruguay than in the US. So uruguay has better gun laws just because you can have everything, but if you are just planning on buying a rifle it has no sense. And remember, in Uruguay the permits won't cost you much money but it may cost you time. So you need a bit of patience. Another thing is that if they find you with a weapon that isn't registered, they can't do anything to you other than a 100 dollar fine and asking you to register it or give it to them. They give you 6 months to register it or give it to the autorities. Concealed carry is permitted as long as the public can not see the gun, so it must be below some layer of cloth.

 

[PiratePenguin]

Wow, they don't even bother to dress it up with "it's to protect the children."

 

[alfon99]

Another thing, machineguns are very cheap here in uruguay, cheaper than most rifles because they don't have all the taxes and all that stuff, The most available machineguns are the ones that were in the army because only the army can import them. There are plenty of M3 submachine guns, steyr AUG's, AR-15's and AK-101's. I saw one M3 at 500 dollars.

 

[Midwest]

Another thing, machineguns are very cheap here in uruguay, cheaper than most rifles because they don't have all the taxes and all that stuff, The most available machineguns are the ones that were in the army because only the army can import them. There are plenty of M3 submachine guns, steyr AUG's, AR-15's and AK-101's. I saw one M3 at 500 dollars.

Wow (I don't know what else to say at the moment)..........

 

[alfon99]

It is the same rate than in Iraq but the difference is that here they dont use them to kill eachother

 

[alfon99]

See? Here in uruguay we have lots of guns, but we don't have those school shootings. So gun control makes no sense, because in uruguay there may be more guns per capita than in the US, (not sure about this though) but there have never been shootings in schools and that stuff.

 

[MachIVshooter]

in uruguay there may be more guns per capita than in the US, (not sure about this though)

No. The US has by far the highest gun ownership rates of any developed nation at 89 firearms per 100 people. Second place goes to Serbia at 58 per 100. Uraguay comes in 9th at 31 per 100, 1/3 the US per capita rate, and about the same as Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Norway, Iceland and Canada (all between 30-32 per 100 people).

 

[alfon99]

No. The US has by far the highest gun ownership rates of any developed nation at 89 firearms per 100 people. Second place goes to Serbia at 58 per 100. Uraguay comes in 9th at 31 per 100, 1/3 the US per capita rate, and about the same as Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Norway, Iceland and Canada (all between 30-32 per 100 people).

Well, then the article is dead wrong, it starts with Uruguay has the highest per capita rate of gun ownership

 

[oneounceload]

No, the US has numbers per capita as most of us have dozens and dozens, whereas in Uruguay, more PEOPLE in the population own guns. Different stats and ways of looking at the numbers.

 

[alfon99]

No, the US has numbers per capita as most of us have dozens and dozens, whereas in Uruguay, more PEOPLE in the population own guns. Different stats and ways of looking at the numbers.

lol you're right.

 

[alfon99]

They have an astra stg4 in a gunshop here in uruguay, I will call them tomorrow to know the price.

 

[justice06rr]

Why Chile? I don't see the point of going through such hoops and hassles when you're already in the US. Just go to a more gun-friendly state.

 

[Nickel Plated]

That sounds pretty nice about Uruguay.

Do you guys have an equivalent to our 2nd Amendment that specifically enumerates a right to bear arms or is it just the government hasn't bothered to do anything aout it for now?

Also, if you can't import new fall-autos. Can you build new ones yourself as long as they're not imported? Either from scratch or parts kits.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Texas WAS a country.

And Texas CAN be split into five states.

And Texas most certainly has a manufacturing base.

Deaf

 

[alfon99]

That sounds pretty nice about Uruguay.

Do you guys have an equivalent to our 2nd Amendment that specifically enumerates a right to bear arms or is it just the government hasn't bothered to do anything aout it for now?

Also, if you can't import new fall-autos. Can you build new ones yourself as long as they're not imported? Either from scratch or parts kits.

Yes, you can build firearms, but to make it legal the RNA (Registro Nacional de Armas) must inspect it and put a mark on it. Oh and there is no equivalent to your second amandment, in fact now it's easier than 10 years ago where you needed the second permit for a pistol over 7,65 mm.