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Anyone have any experience with the Chinese coach guns? Seems to be imported (not made) by Century Arms:

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Kind of ugly, not as pretty as a Krieghoff, but not quite as expensive either. I have the opportunity to buy one brand new for $229.00, dirt cheap. Uses would be range fun and plinking, purely recreational. I've always been drawn to side by side coach guns but for whatever reason never picked one up. This one is so cheap it's almost a why not?

Does anyone know the quality and durability of these guns? Do they break often, are they to be avoided? Any thoughts at all, good or bad?

Thanks gang! :)
 
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It looks so poorly made, that even a Khyber pass "gunsmith" would be ashamed of it. I would pass - there are a lot better options than this one.
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that does look bad. and the advice given above is good. eastbank.
 
These have been available for several years now. Even at the (low) price, they're probably not worth having.

The best side-by-side coach guns currently available are made in Turkey, and they run in the $700-800 range.
 
I have one of the exposed hammer side by side Chi-Com boat anchors sold by Cimarron.

Those of you who are running them down obviously don't own one. They are not pretty and even with the short barrels they are heavier than my
Beretta 424. They are however built like a tank. I use mine in Cowboy Action competition. I put a lot of rounds through it. In the spring I'll put a thousand rounds and more a week through it just getting the muscle memory back. Reloads are very fast with the tank and I have never opened up the chambers to facilitate reloading, my chambers are stock. I see guys at every match with broken and malfunctioning shotguns that cost many times what my Chi-Com POS cost. Mine just keeps running.

I've shot this gun for about five years now and to date have not one issue with it. Show me a better shotgun made by anyone, not prettier, better. When you throw in the price, mine cost $379 if I remember right, it is a gun worth considering. Remember these are cylinder bore very short barreled guns suitable for close range work. They are also fine for home defense provided that you practice and learn to reload them, and I mean fast not one shell at a time.

I've not seen the thing being marketed by Century Arms so can not speak to them.

One thing to keep in mine about the Cimmaron coach gun, the last time I checked parts are not available. I like to carry a few spare parts when traveling to matches just in case. I simply carry a spare shotgun instead of spare parts. So far I've never used the back up gun.
 
rdstrain49 said:
I have one of the exposed hammer side by side Chi-Com boat anchors sold by Cimarron.

Those of you who are running them down obviously don't own one. They are not pretty and even with the short barrels they are heavier than my
Beretta 424. They are however built like a tank. I use mine in Cowboy Action competition. I put a lot of rounds through it. In the spring I'll put a thousand rounds and more a week through it just getting the muscle memory back. Reloads are very fast with the tank and I have never opened up the chambers to facilitate reloading, my chambers are stock. I see guys at every match with broken and malfunctioning shotguns that cost many times what my Chi-Com POS cost. Mine just keeps running.

I've shot this gun for about five years now and to date have not one issue with it. Show me a better shotgun made by anyone, not prettier, better. When you throw in the price, mine cost $379 if I remember right, it is a gun worth considering. Remember these are cylinder bore very short barreled guns suitable for close range work. They are also fine for home defense provided that you practice and learn to reload them, and I mean fast not one shell at a time.

I've not seen the thing being marketed by Century Arms so can not speak to them.

One thing to keep in mine about the Cimmaron coach gun, the last time I checked parts are not available. I like to carry a few spare parts when traveling to matches just in case. I simply carry a spare shotgun instead of spare parts. So far I've never used the back up gun.
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Thank you, very informative.

Yes, I know this shotgun is crudely finished compared to some, no doubt. I am mostly interested in reliability, and it appears your example has it.
 
Remember, mine is from Cimarron not Century. There appears to be some differences.

FWIW I like my Chi-Com POS so well I'm actually considering having Briley install chokes. Imagine a coach gun with full and full chokes, too much fun with black powder shells on the trap field.

If you want something a little better, and a bit more money, check out the CZ hammer guns. Last I knew they made a 30" and a coach gun. they are actually made by Huguely in Turkey. I have the 30" 12 ga. About 2 1/2 times the cost of the Chi-Com POS but a beautiful weapon. And like the other, built like a tank, but unlike the Chi-Com, the CZ looks good doing it.
 
I have a Cimarron 1878 SxS. I was unaware they were made in China and I couldn't care less. It goes bang when I pull either trigger, it was cheap and give me no issues. What's not to like?
 
Yep.
The "Doc Holiday" from Cimarron is, if I remember correctly, by Pedersoli. It is a beautiful weapon, but at over three times the price of the plain
1878 hammer gun it should be.
 
If you can find one, the Remington Spartan (made by Baikal in Russia) SxS shotguns are finished much better and they were fairly inexpensive. I have one with exposed hammers, and ran it pretty hard in SASS for about 5 years. It is still tight lockup and no problems.
 
I have a IAC import Model 99 in 12 gauge. Came with both a tang safety and cross bolt safety. It is hefty feeling and helps tame recoil even with the hard solid rubber pad. It has been reliable and I like the solid feel of it. I bought it to shoot BP loads as I didn't want to run holy black out of my original 1897s. I don't care for the cross bolt safety as I've found it can activate itself if it gets "nudged" and you get a click and no boom. I have to say it has been really fun to shoot, reliable, as long as I don't bump the cross bolt safety, and easy to clean.

My Baikal Bounty Hunter II is lighter and has a more svelte build to it. It does kick more due to the weight difference.
 
There seems to be two versions of these Chinese coach guns. The Century Arms JW-2000 model built by Zhongzhou Machine Works is considered poor quality. The other is a reproduction of the Colt 1878. This version has been sold under the Cimarron, EMF and TTN name. It's hard to tell who actually builds these because company names in China are a real web and in many cases it is all the same company despite the different names.
 
rodinal220 said:
I have a IAC import Model 99 in 12 gauge. Came with both a tang safety and cross bolt safety. It is hefty feeling and helps tame recoil even with the hard solid rubber pad. It has been reliable and I like the solid feel of it. I bought it to shoot BP loads as I didn't want to run holy black out of my original 1897s. I don't care for the cross bolt safety as I've found it can activate itself if it gets "nudged" and you get a click and no boom. I have to say it has been really fun to shoot, reliable, as long as I don't bump the cross bolt safety, and easy to clean.

My Baikal Bounty Hunter II is lighter and has a more svelte build to it. It does kick more due to the weight difference.
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Where is the cross bolt safety located? Does it activate every time the gun is opened? Is it safe to leave shells in the chambers?
 
Baikal are built like a tank i never had a issue with mine what i do is dry fir it using snap caps remove the barrel and caps load put barrel back
on frame now it's loaded but not cocked to cock open and close action but i think the best looking coach gun is
made by CZ
 
Well, I haven't managed to break my JW-2000 yet. It was really stiff when I got it, it's not so stiff now. The outside looks passable, the inside looks like poorly trained monkeys with dremmel tools assembled it. It goes bang when I pull the trigger though, and cost as much as a Hi-Point, so I won't cry much if it stops going bang. The extractor isn't spring loaded, so a little wrist flip while opening the barrels is required.

If it ever does stop going bang, it can probably be used to drive T posts.
 
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The cross bolt is manually operated and physically blocks the firing pins. The tang safety blocks movement of the triggers and is also manually activated. The firing pins are spring loaded. Should be safe to keep shells in the chambers.
 
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If I were in the market for a coach gun and the Century import was a Norinco, then I’d snap one up if the price was reasonable.
 
Sistema1927 said:
If you can find one, the Remington Spartan (made by Baikal in Russia) SxS shotguns are finished much better and they were fairly inexpensive.
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I have one of those. I agree that it's finished better than the Chinese guns. However, the "exposed hammers" are really just cocking levers. The actual hammers are internal.

I like the interchangeable screw-in chokes.
 
AlexanderA said:
I have one of those. I agree that it's finished better than the Chinese guns. However, the "exposed hammers" are really just cocking levers. The actual hammers are internal.

I like the interchangeable screw-in chokes.
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Actually, Baikal made both. Some like mine are true exposed, rebounding hammers. Others, they act as cockers for the true internal hammers. Never could figure out why they came out with that second model.
 
The Baikal shotgun was never made with true exposed hammers as of my knowledge. The real designation of that model is MP43K - the successor of IZh 54 & 26. They chose to go with cockers, instead of real hammers, because that required only minor changes to the mechanism - Russians simply chose the easiest rote.
 
As KevininPa stated Baikal made both. The Bounty Hunter had rebounding hammers and working exposed firing pins. The Bounty Hunter II (I have one) had fake "exposed" firing pins that are cosmetic only and do not work. The mule ears do need to be cocked and this initiates the firing mechanism internally.
 
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