Chinese Security- LEO weapons

[NVCZ]

O.k., everyone smell like pee now? The OP, I have to ask first, can you tell us a little bit about why you are on a "security detail" and has your superiors actually defined your role?

Are you an actual bodyguard for another person or thing? I would be defining VERY clearly with my company what my role IS and IS NOT in a foreign country.

Yeah generally the PRC police have no need of weapons because THEY FRIGGIN DIS-ARMED their populace (not yelling at you). Security really depends on where you are going in China. Areas with muslim populations can be in a state of unrest at this time and prone to higher Chinese security force presence. Check the U.S. embassy and foriegn travel websites for updates.

I know this is a good place to start your search for information about your OP, but something doesn't seem right. If you are legit in your request here, I would worry about your employer and their motives. Best of luck...

NVCZ

 

[Sox]

I am with OhioGunGuy on this one. If you were going to China, would you really trust a bunch of us here on THR? Hell, I wouldn't. Also, if you are doing that kinda work wouldn't you have solid professional resources. Seems just too casual for the potential difficulty one could run into. Where is Paul Blart?

 

[spiroxlii]

When I was in Nanjing, I did see police and armed guards. The police who were armed seemed to be carrying handguns, but I didn't get close enough to see what cartridge they were chambered for. The armed guards who showed up when the ATM near my college campus was restocked were much more heavily armed. They had 12ga shotguns, though I did observe one with what appeared to be an SMG or a bullpup assault rifle.

One must remember that China is a big country, and despite the fact that everything is run/owned by the national government, things aren't always standardized. The cops in a rural town might not be regularly armed, and the weapons they use may be old Soviet-pattern weapons. The cops in Beijing or Nanjing or in special areas like Hong Kong and Macau might be armed with more modern Western or indigenous weapons. The chance that you will ever be legally armed as a foreign visitor to China are slim to none. If your boss is going to China and really needs hired security badly enough to worry about how the local LEOs are armed, my advice is not to go to China with him.

Some of the Chinese students I befriended in Nanjing (girls in their 20s) were describing their mandatory military training before they were allowed to enroll in the university where we were studying. Here in the USA, males are required to sign up for selective service. Over there, the girls I spoke with were actually required to take a crash course in basic drilling and firearms handling. The funniest part was when I pulled up digital photos of my SKS and TT-33. Two of the girls said that they had trained on an AK-patterned rifle, but three of them recognized the SKS as the rifle they had been taught to shoot. None of them recognized the TT-33. They said they hadn't been trained with handguns.

 

[X-Rap]

I'm sure in the land of sunshine,bunnys and lollipops there are few police and none of them would be armed or ever have any bad intent.
Some of you sound like you are talking about some mildly blue state in the USA not that of a tyranical dictatorship.
The police there probably are layered from the neighborhood Barney Fife (clown police) to the secret police that go unseen until called upon to visit some dissident or hacker who is browsing forbiden websites.
It would not surprise me to see the state secret police packing Glocks and many other superior western weapons and tools or pirated copies.
As far as doing a security job in China, if I had those qualifications I would be doing it in a part of the world that the US has much more influence and presence.

 

[curlyme]

NVCZ- I'm actually going to protect a religious missionary group, I won't say what religion but it is illegal to preach. The reason I ask is because there was a church that had 50,000 members that the police raided even though it was government run, 100 some hurt 20 some hospitalized.... Out of the 400 ish people that were there at the time (it was 0300). I am very aware of the laws. I will be going to a city again I can't say where. I am not a part of a large security team this is very low profile and this is one of my first jobs. I don't have the acces to very many contacts in china because 1. This is a small group 2. any body in china I contact can possibly be arrested. If I see anyone in china with a glock I'll let you all know.
Thanks.

 

[Sam1911]

I'm actually going to protect a religious missionary group, ... the police raided even though it was government run, 100 some hurt 20 some hospitalized.... I am not a part of a large security team this is very low profile and this is one of my first jobs. ... any body in china I contact can possibly be arrested.

Yikes...you're going to China to protect a religious groups that violates Chinese law -- against the POLICE? That is ... bold.

If I see anyone in china with a glock I'll let you all know.

I don't think we should hold our breath. I don't think Chinese prisons allow their inmates internet access. If you make it as far as prison...

Um. Er. Good luck?

-Sam

 

[9mmepiphany]

make sure you have your affairs in order before you leave

i'm not sure how you can protect a group dealing in illegal activities and if they arrest you, they don't play around...

if you think about it, if you were to engage in a similar activity in this country, wouldn't we call you a terrorist?

 

[Geno]

Dude:

Is this your picture?! If so, your two-man-team's cover has been blown:

http://www.tncyberwalker.zoomshare.com/files/Movie_Stuff/hong_kong_phooey.jpg

Dude, I think I hear your mother callin' you for supper. Better go wash-up. ) Have fun in school tomorrow.

Geno

 

[Cosmoline]

First of all, Hong Kong has a totally different recent history from mainland China. As a British territory for a century its police force has different practices, traditions and weapons.

Mainland Chinese police forces are divided into the paramilitary PAP who look like soldiers and carry military firearms and a traditionally unarmed blue uniformed service. Per the wiki page, the Public Security police have recently started being armed with some kind of 9mm revolver, which looks less than impressive.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg199-e.htm

I've never been there, but a family member travels there frequently and echos the comments here about the ramshackle nature of the "local yokel" forces. They seem to be pretty underpaid and ill-equipped. The PAP boys are another matter. Hopefully you'll never run into them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Armed_Police#Mission

Google "中国人民武装警察部队" for some images of PAP

Google "公安部" for images of the security police.

The differences are pretty clear. The PAP are shown with assault rifles, going through intense combat exercises. The militia style police are shown attending conferences, talking to visiting dignitaries, etc.

 

[Onward Allusion]

When I was there I never saw an armed police officer or guard.... or many police to begin with

They don't always were uniforms. In fact, I would venture to say that they have a good number of armed plainclothes blended in.

 

[Sam1911]

So there's this 50,000 person illegal religion and they can't muster enough volunteers from among their own ranks to fight the police?

But, wait, a handful of fresh-faced shiny American youngsters will kick sufficient Chinese police a$$ to allow the other 50,000 to finish their prayers in peace?

I LOVE IT when a plan comes together!

With all seriousness, there's a lot of things in life that are worth living to see. Meeting that special someone, getting married, buying that first house, seeing your kids open their eyes for the first time, seeing them graduate, meeting your grandkids, and rather a lot else.

Or, you could die alone in a foreign land, fighting for a bunch of folks who's religion didn't inspire them with enough devotion to fight their own battles.

I sure hope you're just yankin' our chains here...

-Sam

[Ironically, his last thought on earth may be, "Hey, look, they DO have Glocks! ]