***CHP are NOT under orders to confiscate firearms

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The big question seems to be "mandatory evacuation". If I understand LA law correctly failure to evacuate is a misdemeanor. With that in mind the actions of local authority seems to be questionable at best.
I suspect there will be a LOT of civil court procedings when things calm down and the local courts start operating again.
 
I find the idea of decreased mental capacity hilarious. Does anyone remember the 1980's were the left brought out the homeless numbers to bang Reagan with. Does anyone remember the ACLU and the court cases for the rights of these persons. I do. There was a black lady who lived on the streets of NY(can't remember what name she went by). But she was their test client. The USSC ruled she could not be forced off the streets. This is a lady that lived in a carboard box, used the streets for her toilet and rummed in garbage cans for food. She was deemed by the USSC to be competent. Being a physician I know well it is almost impossible to force someone aganist their will to do anything. Even if you think they are a little "OFF".
 
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It's worth nothing that everyone here is, as usual, going automatically with the worst-case scenarios


This is the best answer I've seen to all of this. We've seen edited videos from the press, who we constantly rip into as being innacurate. We constantly attack the press as being sensational.

When did we decide to take everything the press does as gospel?

I suspect when this is all over you won't be able to find a single NO resident
that had their firearms taken without justification that would have existed even outside of an emergency.

I had to leave one forum I USED to frequent because of all the "calling for the head" of NRA, GOA, FEMA, NOPD, whoever. Funny now that the stories begin to come out, turns out there was nothing there.

Most important lesson to learn here?

As usual, don't trust the press. We should have known that all along.

Excellent point. It hadn't occurred to me. +1 TexasSIGman.
 
I don't know about that. You'd have to be an editing magician to cut and paste the fact the CHP were in a ladies house after she told them to leave then tackled, disarmed and escorted her off her property. Seemed pretty clear cut to me. They shouldn't have been there the minute she told them to leave.

I think when the dust settles, there are going to be more stories of gun confiscations happening.

Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me.
 
I think when the dust settles, there are going to be more stories of gun confiscations happening.

And they will very likely be disputed, disbelieved, and rationalized away.

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"houses will be entered if the doorbell is answered? Not very likely in a town with no power.
If your bud is there and isn't stopping it, he is part of it. Unless someone else was holding him at gunpoint to keep him out of it, your bud is now a bad guy. Time to get new friends.

Sam
 
And they will very likely be disputed, disbelieved, and rationalized away.

More likely, "all those people were "delusional" and we removed their guns because we thought they would harm themselves, beside, it was for our safety".
 
My BS meter went off when the original post claimed the CHP was "federalized." The earlier reports said they were sworn in as La. State Troopers, which seems much more likely. The feds are pretty reluctant to give people shiny little federal badges. At any rate FEMA is not a police agency.
 
1) The CHP is under no orders to confiscate legally owned firearms, infact later that day they encountered houses full of guns and wished the residents well. They are not disarming people withought other extenuating circumstances.
Then how do you explain thier actions?

2) The CHP is under orders to remove people from the area designated for MANDATORY evacuation. This is ostentiobly a legal act, authority to do so has been grated and the CHP is taking orders from the NO State Police who are under the Governor, who is under the direction of FEMA. They have been Federalized, and the feds may mandate an evac. It is not clear if they are infact FORCING people to leave, or entering and "STERNELY ADVISING" them that they are to leave.
Where is the authority for a mandatory evacuation? Don't try to cite E. coli or West Nile, these are not valid reasons. What are the reasons?

3) Houses will be entered if the doorbell is answered or if the door is open. If the door is closed and knocks are not answered they are moving on
Sorry, video shows otherwise. Battering rams and prybars are being used.

4) The issue of the old lady is still cloudy. However, HER DOOR WAS OPEN, so the CHP entered her house. We did see her sweep the cameraman with her revolver. It is not clear wether she pointed it at the cops or not, nor is it clear how in command of her faculties she was. In any event, she was NOT left defenseless, but evacuated. I do not know if she was arreasted or merely sent on her way, this is where the cell connection got spotty and dropped.
I saw her sweep nobody with her gun, and in fact I do not believe her door was open. She seemed quite coherent and emphatically asked her home invaders to leave the premises.

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Your CHP friend needs to gather up his buddies and go back to California. It's easy to mug old women with no resources. When they try to do this in the Garden District, to well heeled and armed attorneys, they may have a very different result.

Louisiana does not need this kind of help. Go home CHP! :cuss:
 

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Louisiana does not need this kind of help. Go home CHP!

Actually I'm a Californian and I can say "I SURE AS HELL DON'T WANT THEM BACK HERE". If they're so eager to kick in door and confiscate guns....Send them to IRAQ!!!!

They'd probably get fragged by their own guys anyways. :evil: :evil:
 
Times-Picaynue, Saturday, September 10, 2005, bottom of page A-9

Knee-deep in melted clocks, scribes paint Dali landscape

Pencil behind ear, and .38 on hip


By Chris Rose
Columnist

You hear the word "surreal" in every report from this city now. There is no better word for it.

If Salvador Dali showed up here, he wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of it. Nobody could paint this.

He did that famous painting of the melting clock, and our clocks melted at 6:45 the morning of Aug. 29. That's what the clocks in the French Quarter still say. That's when time stood still.

The Quarter survived all this; you've probably heard that much. Most of what remains unscathed - and I'm using a very relative term here - is a swath of dry land from the Riverbend through Audubon Park, down St. Charles and Tchoupitoulas to the Quarter and into the Bywater.

It's like a land mass the size of Bermuda, maybe, but with not so many golf courses.

There are other dry outposts in the great beyond - little Key Wests across the city - but I haven't seen them.

The weather is beautiful, I don't mind telling you. But if I wrote you a post card, it wouldn't say, "Wish You Were Here."

There are still hearty rose bushes blooming on front porches, and there are still birds singing in the park. But the park is a huge National Guard encampment.

There are men and women from other towns living there in tents and who have left their families to come help us and they are in the park clearing out the fallen timber. My fellow Americans.

Every damn one of them tells you they're happy to be here (despite what you've heard, it still beats the hell out of Fallujah), and every time I try to thank them, on behalf of all of us, I just lose it. I absolutely melt down.

There is nothing quite as ignominious as weeping in front of a soldier.

This is no environment for a wuss like me. We reporters go to other places to cover wars and disasters and pestilence and famine. There's no manual to tell you how to do this when it's your own city.

And I'm telling you: It's hard.

It's hard not to get crispy around the edges. It's hard not to cry. It's hard not to be very, very afraid.

My colleagues who are down here are warriors. There are a half-dozen of us living in a small house on a side street Uptown. Everyone else has been cleared out.

We have a generator and water and military food rations and Doritos and smokes and booze. After deadline, the call goes out: "Anyone for some warm brown liquor?" And we sit on the porch in the very, very still of the night and we try to laugh.

Some of these guys lost their houses - everything in them. But they're here, telling our city's story.

And they stink. We all stink. We stink together.

We have a bunch of guns, but it's not clear to me if anyone in this "news bureau" knows how to use them.

The California National Guard came by and wanted an accounting of every weapon in the building and they wrote the serial numbers down and apparently our guns are pretty rad because they were all cooing over the .38s.

I guess that's good to know.

The Guard wanted to know exactly what we had so they would be able to identify, apparently by sound, what guns were in whose hands if anything "went down" after dark here at this house.

That's not so good to know.

They took all our information and bid us a good day and then sauntered off to retrieve a dead guy on a front porch down the street.

Then the California Highway Patrol - the CHiPs! - came and demanded we turn over our weapons.

What are you going to do? We were certainly outnumbered, so we turned over the guns. Then, an hour later, they brought them back. With no explanation.


Whatev. So here we are. Just another day at the office.

Maybe you've seen that Times-Picayune advertising slogan before: "News, Sports and More."

More indeed. You're getting your money's worth today.

LawDog
 
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They are however NOT entering when the door is closed and goes unanswered. (remenber, this is just the 100person CHP team I have information on. We have video of others breaking down doors.)
So, like, are they entering if someone answers the door and says "Stay the h*ll out of my house"? That doesn't sound a lot to me like permission to enter has been granted.

Remember all those discussions we've had about trespass. Once the custodian of a premises tells you to leave, you are no longer there legally if you remain. The lady told them to get out -- instead of getting out, they gang tackled her.

This is hardly "Monday morning quarterbacking." This is recorded, documented fact.
 
Anti personnel mines, there may be a big demand for them in NOLA soon. I wouldn't shed a tear for a single one of those pansies that would wrestle an old woman to the ground and drag her out of her house. Getting more po'd every time I think about it. :fire:
 
CHP may not be under orders to do so but The Times Picayune newspaper of New Orleans says that CHP officers ARE confiscating weapons.
I wonder if the Chippie who shot "Buddy" the deer is with them.

Buddy was a community pet up around Coarsegold or Oakhurst, CA. There was a traffic accident and Buddy came along, obviously trying to see if he could bum a treat off the people. The CHP officer handling the traffic accident decided that Buddy was a threat to the public and gunned Buddy down with his .40 pistol.

The threats leveled against the officer were so bad and so many the CHP had to transfer the officer to an unknown station and help him sell his house, buying it at fair market value if necessary.

Pilgrim
 
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