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Chuck Hawks rips Tikka a new one

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Pafrmu, Jul 19, 2006.

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  1. Pafrmu

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    Posted from http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm

    What do you guys think about what he has to say? I was thinking about getting a Tikka/Sako but this article gives me second thoughts.
     
  2. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Sounds like he can't get a good group because of the shakes from all the crack he's been smoking.
     
  3. Correia

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    Strange, I can get sub MOA out of my wife's .223 Tikka T3 using Black Hills ammo.

    Plus I would still take it over a current production Remington 700, which is kind of the standard.

    I agree with the economy aspects that he points out, but the market for beautiful, hand-crafted, EXPENSIVE bolt guns is a pretty small one. That is a fact of life. Sorry Chuck.
     
  4. USSR

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    Easy, they're trading off their brand name, just as Remington is doing with their 710 model. But, how do they get away with it?

    Bingo! Because there are so many ignorant and cheap b@stards among the shooting fraternity.

    Don
     
  5. JohnRov

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    Whether you like the Tikka or not, his points about gun reviews are dead on, which I think we all knew already. That said, I thought about a Tikka, but it did feel cheap when I handled it.
     
  6. mete

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    Just read this forum and count how many times you see the question "which gun is the cheapest ? "
     
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    i thought free-floating barrels were good because it allowed the barrel to resonate (like a guitar string) giving you better consistency and accuracy. :scrutiny: maybe hes proving his point but i've only ever heard they are a good thing.

    "Free floating barrels, introduced simply to minimize the labor cost of precisely bedding a barreled action in a gun stock, are now praised as an asset by those who know nothing else. A perfect example of an economy shortcut becoming the new standard. "
     
  8. jashobeam

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    free-floating barrels

    I have read (probably here on THR) about the difficulty in creating an accurate double rifle, as the soldering between the two barrels must be repeatedly broken and reapplied while each barrel is sighted in (or something like that). Maybe if double rifles sported two free-floating barrels they would be affordable for the rest of us. :D

    This is an interesting topic. Are there rifles without free-floating barrels that are as accurate as rifles with this "feature"?
     
  9. The Grand Inquisitor

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    That article reads like a conversation (or rather...monologue) with a crotchety old man at an old-age home. As soon as he started off the article by stating that firearms have been in a steady decline since the 60's, he gave away his bias.

    I have no experiance with Tikka firearms, furthermore I am interested primarily in military arms and not firearms for hunting, but the experiance that I do have with Tikka and Sako (who he does mention) has been very positive.

    I don't know how far he would like to take his arguement, because the reports that I have seen of the Sako TRG in .338 Lapua have been very good (in fact, I believe it is use as a military/police DM rifle in Europe) to exceptional.


    His point about gun magazines is true, but unfortunately, totally moot. Everyone who has more than a passing interest in firearms knows that most gun magazines are little more than elaborate advertisements and mostly worthless. It's always good to see an article saying the things that we know, but people have been making the same statements about the magazines here on THR for years.
     
  10. Jim Watson

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    Couple of target shooters of my acquaintance really miss the previous Tikka rifles, which they liked for conversion to Long Range match rifles. They don't think the T3 will do as well.
     
  11. atblis

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    Well

    I like the older Tikkas (mine easily makes it into the sub moa club). Something doesn't quite sit right with me about the T3, and I haven't even considered getting one (not to mention the 200 hundred dollar price increase).
     
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    I guess my Tikka T3 Lite 22-250 doesn't know it isn't supposed to shoot 3/4" groups at 100 yards all day long. I bought this gun under the pretence that is was light and handy. I didn't want a heavy rig to lug around. And I didn't care if it was an absolute tack driver, just needed to be accurate enough to hit a yote out to 250 yards. This rifle does that with ease.
     
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    my tikka

    I have a .223 Tikka T3 light. It is not the prettiest, but it consistently puts 3 shots sub-MOA on a cold barrel with factory ammo, including dirt-cheap Wolf. This is contrary to Chuck's assertions. When I read his article, my respect for him diminished greatly.
    Tikka T3 is inexpensive, light, and very accrurate and reliable rifle. I would put it above Remington 700 XPS, if you ask me. But, I am not a big hunting guru.
     
  14. hoghunting

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    I keep forgeting that Hawks praises many of the other manufacturers' rifles and then will go on to say that free floating the barrel, bedding the action, and doing a trigger job will really make those rifles into shooters.

    Strange, my T3 in 300 WSM will shoot 3/8" groups consistantly without doing anything to it. Pull it out of the box, clean it, and shoot it. But, then again, I am not the "expert" like Hawks.
     
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    My tikka

    I own Tikka T3 in 30.06.
    it shoots sub-MOA on cold, it still shoots 1 MOA when hot...
    but all i need is 1 shot to hit my game where i aim, and it does it all the time.
    :)
    I plan to buy another one, in 223 soon with heavy barrel.
    Don't care what some "crotchety old man at an old-age home" said.
     
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    I paid $550 NIB for this Tikka T3 Varmint with the heavy stainless barrel. Great barrel, adjustable trigger, smooth bolt action and best of all...it shoots like a laser beam. I once shot a .154" group using factory Black Hill 50 gr V-Max .223 ammo thru it. Here is what is did straight out of the box during barrel break-in. One of the best damn rifles that I have ever purchased.

    Chuck is way off base on this one. I have seen 2 other Tikka T3s that shoot every bit a well as mine.

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    I'm no marksman, but I love my Tikka. No other factory rifle for the price can touch it in performance, quality of parts and slickness of the action. new range.jpg

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    This was my first day out, with only one kind of ammo, on a 5-10 mph wind day, 90 degrees, at 100yards. (270wsm, SS lam Tikka T3)

    The only other rifle brand I would have even considered was the Sako line.

    If I can't afford a Sako next, no other rifle but a Tikka will be considered...
     
  18. ArmedBear

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    Chuck Hawks is some good reading. Just don't think he's the last word on everything, any more than anyone else.

    Hell, what would we be shooting if we just took (pick any gun writer)'s word as gospel? Would it really be the best thing for each of us?
     
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    So how much would a rifle built "good enough" for Chuck cost?

    And what about cheap guns prior to the 1960s? Are they better made and more accurate than the cheap rifles of today? Could they be built as cheaply today?


    I'm not a high paid gun writer and I can't afford some fancy schmancy new custom rifle so would he rather that people like me not hunt at all?
     
  20. cyanide

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    I agree with him 100 percent
     
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    Thanks for the warning...

    I bet he'd really love my $240 Mossberg 100ATR :neener:
     
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    Chuck Hawks is my hero for having the guts to say what has needed to be said for a long time!! I don,t think he was knocking Tikka but rather using them of an example of the sub-standard firearms being offered on the market today.The marketing guys are smart. Make it cheaper and then tout the advantages so people think their getting a deal.It's called making a silk purse from a sows ear!! Pouring plastic into a mold is alot cheaper than crafting a wood stock. Then they call it free floated instead of poor fit and finish.
    I don't have a plastic anything in my gun safe and never will!!Chuck Hawks is right on target on this. Don't be manipulated by the marketing or the lackey gun writers of gun manufacturers.
     
  23. 270Win

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    You guys should your testimonies to Mr Hawks.... he would be interested to hear them, I'm sure!
     
  24. cyanide

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    Got an e mail addy ?
     
  25. goalie

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    Well, I've shot spendy rifles, "cheap" rifles, and accurate rifles. The accurate one's didn't come from one or the other of the first groups exclusively.

    FWIW, I have a hard time understanding why my Mossy ATR-100 that cost 240 bucks and shoots 1.5 inch 100 yard groups with factory ammo is a bad buy for a beater hunting rifle?!?!?! Double so if the buyer is going to sight in a few times a year and just use it for hunting deer.

    I hope someone remembered to tell my deer last year that it was shot by a CHEAP rifle. ;)
     
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